News:

This year - 2026 - is the Unknown Zone's 25th anniversary!

Come join in the festivities!

Main Menu

Ferguson, MO

Started by Y, August 18, 2014, 10:29:23 AM

Previous topic - Next topic

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Print
Go Down Pages 1 ... 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 ... 20
User actions

Purplelady1040

#165
November 30, 2014, 06:48:24 PM
Quote from: Y on November 30, 2014, 06:45:50 PM
I tried to put it nicely, but it's like this: when people start pulling out anecdotal claims like "my neighbor is black" or "I have a black friend" etc., you can usually lay money that those claims aren't true.  Those claims are typically a means to make one not appear racist and misappropriate some fraudulent authority to his/her position.

Ask anyone here, I'm ALL about evidence, but anecdotal claims AREN'T evidence.
Sorry. You feel that way but our neighbor is black and I have no reason to lie about that or about her.

Purplelady1040

#166
November 30, 2014, 06:49:59 PM
Quote from: Y on November 30, 2014, 06:45:50 PM
I tried to put it nicely, but it's like this: when people start pulling out anecdotal claims like "my neighbor is black" or "I have a black friend" etc., you can usually lay money that those claims aren't true.  Those claims are typically a means to make one not appear racist and misappropriate some fraudulent authority to his/her position.


Ask anyone here, I'm ALL about evidence, but anecdotal claims AREN'T evidence.
By the way, it is a little hard for me to be racist when I have a great niece who is mixed so the racist shit doesn't work with me.

Y

#167
November 30, 2014, 07:02:39 PM
Quote from: me on November 30, 2014, 06:25:57 PM
He was stealing from the man so the man.  You are trying to make the victim out to be the bad guy for going after his merchandise.  All I have heard was walking down the street which could mean on the sidewalk.  A lot of people say walking down the street and don't mean the street proper.  I have never heard anyone use the term jaywalking.

The owner/employee was at minimum imprudent.  I'm certain any LEO etc. would have told that and to let the guy go and they would handle it/him.

You must not have been paying ANY attention at all.  From the beginning it was stated that Wilson told Brown and his friend to get out of the street.

Good Grief, Charlie Brown!
©  Whamma-Jamma - all rights reserved

Law of Logical Argument - Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.  ;)

"You've probably noticed that opinion pollsters go out of their way to include as many morons as possible in surveys ... I think it's dangerous to inform morons about what their fellow morons are thinking. It only reinforces their opinions. And the one thing worse than a moron with an opinion is lots of them." -- Scott Adams

In other words: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.  ;)

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair

"Hitler is gone, but if the majority of our fellow citizens are more susceptible to the slogans of fear and race hatred than to those of peaceful accommodation and mutual respect among human beings, our political liberties remain at the mercy of any eloquent and unscrupulous demagogue." -- S. I. Hayakawa

Y

#168
November 30, 2014, 07:04:47 PM
Quote from: libby on November 30, 2014, 06:32:25 PM
  Well, hello Y.  I have been hoping you'd join us again. Sorry I disappointed you, but don't intend to try to answer you point by point because I am absolutely no good at the quick retort -- unless I shoot to kill (metaphorically) -- so, glad you've joined us and hope we keep you entertained or irritated enough to make you want to stay.  :smitten:

Yer don't skeer me!  Do it!   :razz:

:biggrin:
©  Whamma-Jamma - all rights reserved

Law of Logical Argument - Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.  ;)

"You've probably noticed that opinion pollsters go out of their way to include as many morons as possible in surveys ... I think it's dangerous to inform morons about what their fellow morons are thinking. It only reinforces their opinions. And the one thing worse than a moron with an opinion is lots of them." -- Scott Adams

In other words: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.  ;)

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair

"Hitler is gone, but if the majority of our fellow citizens are more susceptible to the slogans of fear and race hatred than to those of peaceful accommodation and mutual respect among human beings, our political liberties remain at the mercy of any eloquent and unscrupulous demagogue." -- S. I. Hayakawa

Y

#169
November 30, 2014, 07:08:52 PM
Quote from: me on November 30, 2014, 06:35:13 PM
It does relate because Brown was taking what wasn't his and felt he was entitled to it.  No, that in itself doesn't deserve the death penalty but the fact he was lunging at the officer, bullet entry point in top of head exit point back of neck, is grounds for the officer to protect himself by using force, keep in mind the size difference between Brown and the officer.

1. Do you always conflate things so?  When you stole something, did you conflate that to some big societal issue?  Sometimes a thing is simply what it is.

2. Not deadly force.  Size doesn't matter with the proper intelligence and training.
©  Whamma-Jamma - all rights reserved

Law of Logical Argument - Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.  ;)

"You've probably noticed that opinion pollsters go out of their way to include as many morons as possible in surveys ... I think it's dangerous to inform morons about what their fellow morons are thinking. It only reinforces their opinions. And the one thing worse than a moron with an opinion is lots of them." -- Scott Adams

In other words: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.  ;)

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair

"Hitler is gone, but if the majority of our fellow citizens are more susceptible to the slogans of fear and race hatred than to those of peaceful accommodation and mutual respect among human beings, our political liberties remain at the mercy of any eloquent and unscrupulous demagogue." -- S. I. Hayakawa

Y

#170
November 30, 2014, 07:13:52 PM
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on November 30, 2014, 06:45:09 PM
The real issue has been addressed. A thug regardless of skin color tried to get by with something and didn't. He refused to comply with a simple request. By the way, this thug kid had a record. What about his step-father saying to burn Ferguson down. He was inviting those to riot and probably should have been charged. I can understand they are upset, they lost a child but that doesn't give them the right to say burn the town down! How about the issue that the media released Wilson's address and what if he had been killed by a lynch mob. Would you say well, he got what he deserved or would you want those who did it brought to justice?

Besides all the extraneous BS you're trying to drag into the conversation on one specific issue, that issue is the unnecessary confrontation and use of deadly force.

I know you don't really want to debate it because you're on the wrong side - the authoritarian side.
©  Whamma-Jamma - all rights reserved

Law of Logical Argument - Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.  ;)

"You've probably noticed that opinion pollsters go out of their way to include as many morons as possible in surveys ... I think it's dangerous to inform morons about what their fellow morons are thinking. It only reinforces their opinions. And the one thing worse than a moron with an opinion is lots of them." -- Scott Adams

In other words: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.  ;)

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair

"Hitler is gone, but if the majority of our fellow citizens are more susceptible to the slogans of fear and race hatred than to those of peaceful accommodation and mutual respect among human beings, our political liberties remain at the mercy of any eloquent and unscrupulous demagogue." -- S. I. Hayakawa

Y

#171
November 30, 2014, 07:20:04 PM
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on November 30, 2014, 06:47:28 PM
Then I would say, you must not know !any officers. I know city, county and state officers and have seen them say that they are requesting that so and so do such and such. When the person fails to comply with the request than they order.

1. That's another anecdotal claim by you...

...one I'll answer with another anecdotal claim of my own...

I'll wager I've known a LOT more officers than you have.

2. That's simply not true.  Officer's don't 'request', they order.  If they only 'requested', they'd be getting told to "go to hell" a LOT more than they do now.  Besides, if they didn't give orders, no would impelled to follow their directives.  Use some common sense here.
©  Whamma-Jamma - all rights reserved

Law of Logical Argument - Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.  ;)

"You've probably noticed that opinion pollsters go out of their way to include as many morons as possible in surveys ... I think it's dangerous to inform morons about what their fellow morons are thinking. It only reinforces their opinions. And the one thing worse than a moron with an opinion is lots of them." -- Scott Adams

In other words: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.  ;)

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair

"Hitler is gone, but if the majority of our fellow citizens are more susceptible to the slogans of fear and race hatred than to those of peaceful accommodation and mutual respect among human beings, our political liberties remain at the mercy of any eloquent and unscrupulous demagogue." -- S. I. Hayakawa

me

#172
November 30, 2014, 07:20:42 PM
Quote from: Y on November 30, 2014, 07:08:52 PM
1. Do you always conflate things so?  When you stole something, did you conflate that to some big societal issue?  Sometimes a thing is simply what it is.

2. Not deadly force.  Size doesn't matter with the proper intelligence and training.
Get real, the guy was charging him, he was pumped up on adrenalin, quite a bit larger than the cop, and could have taken him down easily no matter how much training he had.  He knew he was caught red handed and did not want to go to jail so he was not about to stop and talk to the cop.  Had he been innocent and complied with the cops request this would not have happened period. 
Trump 2020

Purplelady1040

#173
November 30, 2014, 07:21:59 PM
No, I don't agree with the use of deadly force and I am not trying to spread any BS but the fact remains that had the kid complied he would still be alive. I am not so sure why that is hard for you to understand. Do you expect police officers to just allow the public in general to beat the shit  out of them and they not be allowed to defend themselves. It is like I have heard people want to bash the police for doing a job but when that person needs help who is it that they call. Whatever the outcome, no one was going to be satisfied.

Purplelady1040

#174
November 30, 2014, 07:23:59 PM
Considering that I worked closely with law officers and went on ride alongs as part of my job, I can just about guarantee you that I heard them request more times than order but I know you think that is an anecdote and not factual evidence.

Y

#175
November 30, 2014, 07:24:18 PM
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on November 30, 2014, 06:48:24 PM
Sorry. You feel that way but our neighbor is black and I have no reason to lie about that or about her.

You'd have no real reason to not invent such a claim, and as I've pointed out specific reasons to invent such a claim.

I truly don't care either way, but making anecdotal claims won't carry any weight - especially with me.
©  Whamma-Jamma - all rights reserved

Law of Logical Argument - Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.  ;)

"You've probably noticed that opinion pollsters go out of their way to include as many morons as possible in surveys ... I think it's dangerous to inform morons about what their fellow morons are thinking. It only reinforces their opinions. And the one thing worse than a moron with an opinion is lots of them." -- Scott Adams

In other words: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.  ;)

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair

"Hitler is gone, but if the majority of our fellow citizens are more susceptible to the slogans of fear and race hatred than to those of peaceful accommodation and mutual respect among human beings, our political liberties remain at the mercy of any eloquent and unscrupulous demagogue." -- S. I. Hayakawa

Purplelady1040

#176
November 30, 2014, 07:27:27 PM
Quote from: Y on November 30, 2014, 07:24:18 PM
You'd have no real reason to not invent such a claim, and as I've pointed out specific reasons to invent such a claim.

I truly don't care either way, but making anecdotal claims won't carry any weight - especially with me.
I am sure you will say that my job and ride alongs with the police are anecdotal and not factual to what I witnessed and saw.

Y

#177
November 30, 2014, 07:28:40 PM
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on November 30, 2014, 06:49:59 PM
By the way, it is a little hard for me to be racist when I have a great niece who is mixed so the racist shit doesn't work with me.

Now see, that's just silly. 

You make yet another anecdotal claim, and one that actually has absolutely no bearing on whether you may or may not be a racist. 

You most certainly would not be precluded from being a racist simply because it might be possible that you could have either mixed or full minority relation. 
©  Whamma-Jamma - all rights reserved

Law of Logical Argument - Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.  ;)

"You've probably noticed that opinion pollsters go out of their way to include as many morons as possible in surveys ... I think it's dangerous to inform morons about what their fellow morons are thinking. It only reinforces their opinions. And the one thing worse than a moron with an opinion is lots of them." -- Scott Adams

In other words: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.  ;)

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair

"Hitler is gone, but if the majority of our fellow citizens are more susceptible to the slogans of fear and race hatred than to those of peaceful accommodation and mutual respect among human beings, our political liberties remain at the mercy of any eloquent and unscrupulous demagogue." -- S. I. Hayakawa

Purplelady1040

#178
November 30, 2014, 07:30:23 PM
Y, here's a question for you. How do you feel about his step-father making claims on media to burn Ferguson down after the outcome? Do you feel his stepfather should be charged with inciting a riot? I know that he and the mother were upset and with good reason but what do you think he shoushould have done.

Y

#179
November 30, 2014, 07:32:19 PM
Quote from: me on November 30, 2014, 07:20:42 PM
Get real, the guy was charging him, he was pumped up on adrenalin, quite a bit larger than the cop, and could have taken him down easily no matter how much training he had.  He knew he was caught red handed and did not want to go to jail so he was not about to stop and talk to the cop.  Had he been innocent and complied with the cops request this would not have happened period.

Get real.  You don't even really know the chain of events, do you?  Obviously not.

Well, I'm not compelled to explain them to you in detail, but expect to hear the sniggering from the other participants.   :biggrin:
©  Whamma-Jamma - all rights reserved

Law of Logical Argument - Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.  ;)

"You've probably noticed that opinion pollsters go out of their way to include as many morons as possible in surveys ... I think it's dangerous to inform morons about what their fellow morons are thinking. It only reinforces their opinions. And the one thing worse than a moron with an opinion is lots of them." -- Scott Adams

In other words: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.  ;)

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair

"Hitler is gone, but if the majority of our fellow citizens are more susceptible to the slogans of fear and race hatred than to those of peaceful accommodation and mutual respect among human beings, our political liberties remain at the mercy of any eloquent and unscrupulous demagogue." -- S. I. Hayakawa
Print
Go Up Pages 1 ... 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 ... 20
User actions