Ferguson, MO

[Y]

I will see if I can copy and paste the statement!

Link to the statement in its proper context.

[Y]

I didn't say that he touched the weapon, now did I but that he was trying? Why don't you trying reading what I posted. By the way, no one knows if DNA was on stuff or not and to have DNA last it takes longer than a few seconds for contact. There was a scuffle and who is to say this punk didn't have gloves on.

C'mon, seriously?  You're just reaching here.

[Y]

Plus trying to beat the shit out of someone

Neither Assault nor Battery are capital crimes.

[Y]

It becomes a robbery when in the course of a crime and assault occurs. It moves it from a simple shoplifting to a robbery

Link to the MO. statute?

Also, IIRC, the attendant/owner/employee assaulted Brown first.  Of course, I don't see that shoving match between the two being conflated in law to 'assault', though admittedly I've seen prosecutors try and squeeze everything into some sort of charge no matter how flimsy.  It's a prosecution tactic.  Throw everything possible at the defendant and you can get them to cop a plea which gets the prosecutor a win.

[Purplelady1040]

Check out a video by Charles R. Patrick on YouTube. He talks about it and also if you can find where a William g. Lillas talks about this. Mr. Lillas is an 83 yr. Old black gentleman who states that Brown was a hoodlum who had a criminal record a mile long and that if the idiots believe the national guard will play nice than they are stupid! He talks about how blacks blame the whites when they are too lazy to get off their asses and work but want to blame the whites for everything. Mr. Lillas states it is not the white person to blame for anything but blacks themselves are to blame and they let idiots like All Sharpton and Jesse Jackson inflame the hatred. There is more but for the most part he stated that had Brown just complied with an officer's request, he would not have been killed.

[Purplelady1040]

Link to the MO. statute?

Also, IIRC, the attendant/owner/employee assaulted Brown first.  Of course, I don't see that shoving match between the two being conflated in law to 'assault'.

Robbery becomes this according to Missouri law when there is the use or threatens the immediatenuse of a dangerous instrument against any person or displays or threatens the use of what appears to be a deadly weapon or instrument. It also can be as simple as colliding into a store employee on the way out from shoplifting. I imagine that we probably will never know.

[Purplelady1040]

Neither Assault nor Battery are capital crimes.

Y assaults depending on the degree are felonies. In some states, a simple shoplifting can lead to a felony when in the course of the crime you assault someone. It can be as simple as colliding with an employee on the way out from shoplifting. I know in Ky. That there was a person who smacked an employee as he was headed out the store with a $25.00 item. That became a felony due to the assault and a simple shoplifting became a robbery. It is that way in a lot of states!

[Y]

Check out a video by Charles R. Patrick on YouTube. He talks about it and also if you can find where a William g. Lillas talks about this. Mr. Lillas is an 83 yr. Old black gentleman who states that Brown was a hoodlum who had a criminal record a mile long and that if the idiots believe the national guard will play nice than they are stupid! He talks about how blacks blame the whites when they are too lazy to get off their asses and work but want to blame the whites for everything. Mr. Lillas states it is not the white person to blame for anything but blacks themselves are to blame and they let idiots like All Sharpton and Jesse Jackson inflame the hatred. There is more but for the most part he stated that had Brown just complied with an officer's request, he would not have been killed.

Patrick - like a certain minority of blacks - appears mainly to know what side his bread is buttered on - say things that appeal to whites, especially authoritarian and racist whites.  That's not to say there's not any amount of truth to be found in what he says, just that the aforementioned whites conflate it to be more than what it is.

The William G. Lillas tale is a fraud.  It's another of those BS e-mails so favored by RW nutters:  http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/blackvet.asp

By November 2014, it seems concerns about the anonymity of the e-mail hampered its spread, as a name became attached to the commentary: William G. Lillas. For months, the remarks circulated without attribution, and it's not clear how the name "William G. Lillas" adhered to it. It's possible the missive was reposted or e-mailed by a person of that name, creating the incorrect impression the reposter was the original author.

While the words are aimed at the presumed failings of black Americans, we can't find one forward or notable repost of the item that didn't come from a white person. Most likely, the e-mail forward was authored by a white person who wished to express unpopular racial prejudices and felt the image of an elderly (and wise) black gentleman with a proud history of military service was the most authoritative candidate to deliver his list of grievances with a number of racial issues and general events.

[Y]

Robbery becomes this according to Missouri law when there is the use or threatens the immediatenuse of a dangerous instrument against any person or displays or threatens the use of what appears to be a deadly weapon or instrument. It also can be as simple as colliding into a store employee on the way out from shoplifting. I imagine that we probably will never know.

Link to MO. statute?

If what you say is fact, there wasn't a weapon (dangerous instrument) in use by either party, so in MO. it wouldn't rise to assault.

[me]

1. You have it wrong.  Wilson came to Brown to confront him, not the other way around.  Wilson initiated the confrontation.

2. Wilson could have simply ignored it - there was really no need for the confrontation proving Wilson at minimum inept, and at best a bully with a badge and gun.  I pointed out before Wilson just had to show that black kid that both his dick and his gun were bigger and that the black kid was a nobody to be pushed around by white authority.

3. For starters, since Wilson was determined not to ignore it - and there was really no reason to do anything but ignore it - then call backup and keep them in sight till it arrives.  I suspect a reason Wilson didn't do that is because he would have be a laughing stock among his macho buddies and considered an idiot by his superiors - "you wanted back up for a jaywalking?!?"..."you made a scene over jaywalking?!?"

4. Once assaulted he could have: a) pulled away; b) tazed him; c) pepper sprayed him; and on and on and on, all sort of options with the proper street smarts and training, none of them requiring the use of deadly force.

What does jaywalking have to do with anything?  I've never once heard that even mentioned. 

There is no 'right' to kill, there is a self defense exemption.

Who?  Please point out ANYONE who has claimed Brown was a "perfect angel"?

We have no actual proof Brown tried to reach for the gun, and 'beating the shite' out of an officer - despite what so many of you authoritarians want to think - is NOT a capital offense.

BTW, it was shoplifting, not 'robbery', and the minor assault at the store was reciprocal.

What?????  You mean the guy had no right to try to defend himself from Brown?  That "minor assult" Brown committed against the owner/employee could have been fatal to a person his age from the stress alone.

[Y]

Y assaults depending on the degree are felonies. In some states, a simple shoplifting can lead to a felony when in the course of the crime you assault someone. It can be as simple as colliding with an employee on the way out from shoplifting. I know in Ky. That there was a person who smacked an employee as he was headed out the store with a $25.00 item. That became a felony due to the assault and a simple shoplifting became a robbery. It is that way in a lot of states!

Of course they can be.  There are misdemeanor and felony levels.  Unless there is an applicable MO. statute which gives rise to a felony, what Brown did was shoplift.

The authoritarians and racists want to conflate this incident with big scary words like Assault and Robbery when it's a much smaller matter.

It's just like Wilson's confrontation with Brown over jaywalking.  It's JAYWALKING for gawd's sake! - not a Federal offense punishable by death!

[Y]

What does jaywalking have to do with anything?  I've never once heard that even mentioned.  What?????  You mean the guy had no right to try to defend himself from Brown?  That "minor assult" Brown committed against the owner/employee could have been fatal to a person his age from the stress alone.

C'mon!  You can't tell me you haven't heard anything about Brown walking in the street - jaywalking?

As I pointed out, IIRC, the owner/employee 'assaulted' Brown first. 

Pulll-eeeze!  It was basically a shoving match.  Stop trying to conflate it to something big and scary that it wasn't.

[Purplelady1040]

Link to MO. statute?

If what you say is fact, there wasn't a weapon (dangerous instrument) in use by either party, so in MO. it wouldn't rise to assault.

I can't link on tablet but according to Mo. Law, the threat of force and then like I said even a shove of a store employee can be considered robbery. I am not trying to get out of linking the law but just can't on the tablet and hubby is using the computer to do some work. I don't really care what the skin color of anyone is but just had this kid complied with the law, he wouldn't have been killed.

[Purplelady1040]

Patrick - like a certain minority of blacks - appears mainly to know what side his bread is buttered on - say things that appeal to whites, especially authoritarian and racist whites.  That's not to say there's not any amount of truth to be found in what he says, just that the aforementioned whites conflate it to be more than what it is.

The William G. Lillas tale is a fraud.  It's another of those BS e-mails so favored by RW nutters:  http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/blackvet.asp

By November 2014, it seems concerns about the anonymity of the e-mail hampered its spread, as a name became attached to the commentary: William G. Lillas. For months, the remarks circulated without attribution, and it's not clear how the name "William G. Lillas" adhered to it. It's possible the missive was reposted or e-mailed by a person of that name, creating the incorrect impression the reposter was the original author.

While the words are aimed at the presumed failings of black Americans, we can't find one forward or notable repost of the item that didn't come from a white person. Most likely, the e-mail forward was authored by a white person who wished to express unpopular racial prejudices and felt the image of an elderly (and wise) black gentleman with a proud history of military service was the most authoritative candidate to deliver his list of grievances with a number of racial issues and general events.

I could not say whether what the young kid says in his YouTube video appeals to all whites but I do agree that a lot of blacks, whites and pink polka dotted want handouts! I don't care what color your skin is, religious beliefs if you have them or not and sexual persuasion but people need to quit looking for handout by those of us who work for what we have.

[Purplelady1040]

I live next door to a 80+ year old black lady. She is the best neighbor we have ever had. We talk a lot about civil rights, discrimination and other politics and current events. She can't stand Obama, feels he is leading the Democratic party to hell but also feels that way with the Republican party, I had to agree. I asked her shortly after all this happened in Ferguson her views and she stated if the kid had done what was asked, the outcome would not have been what happened. She also said blacks want to blame everyone but themselves for being in prison, in the hood as she stated or wanting that handout! She is very opinonated on her beliefs but she is a great lady. When I first made the mistake of saying African American, she said that she was just an American and a black American, said she hasn't been to Africa and had no intentions of going there! Lol