Here's Why!

[Y]

Bob's other claim: "he'd be forced to buy his 96 fulltime workers heath coverage, which would bankrupt him".

http://hiring.monster.com/hr/hr-best-practices/workforce-management/employee-benefits-management/health-care-reform.aspx

Beginning in 2014, health insurance will be available to individuals and small businesses through state-run "exchanges." These will require insurance companies to compete for business in the marketplace. The objective is to make it it easier for individuals and small businesses to obtain health insurance at a lower price.

The exchange program for small businesses, known as the Small Business Health Options Program (SHOP), will allow small businesses to pool together to increase their purchasing power. This will allow these businesses to offer health insurance to their employees at rates similar to those available to large corporations.

Beginning in 2014, small businesses that purchase health insurance for their employees through SHOP can receive a two-year small business tax credit of up to 50% of the cost of the premiums.

There are provisions in the law which make it easier to obtain insurance, lower costs of that insurance, AND even subsidize that insurance.

Those facts make Bob's claim of 'bankruptcy' unbelievable.

[Y]

Also, Bob sold two of his operations: "So he did the only logical thing: he gave up and sold his businesses."

If Bob's claim of 'bankruptcy' and 'fines more than his profit' were even remotely believable, what business person would buy Bob's operations?

The logical answer is Bob would not have been able to sell those operations if the purchaser had no reasonable expectation of making a profit.

Bob's claims essentially state there is NO expectation of profit to be had - all because of the AHCA.

As we've seen, Bob can't be seen as anything but a liar - and an obvious one at that.

[Y]

Therefore, Huckabee is obviously 'dumber than dirt' for swallowing ole' Bob's lies, as was Hank and again for Hank regurgitating it.

[Y]

Yes.  One of the following is true. 

1.  He's dumb as dirt.

2.  He's a political opportunist capitalizing on people who are dumb as dirt. 

3.  He's both.

And I agree with Loc.

I vote #3.

[Locutus]

[me]

Now assuming Bob was renting and didn't own his locations.

http://www.dallas-ecodev.org/real-points-daily-reports-on-commercial-real-estate-greg-biggs-another-dallas-advantage-operating-expenses/

Let's use Dallas approximations - Tyler is actually close to Dallas but rents should be less expensive - of $24 k, which includes electricity:

$1000 x 12 + $1000 x 12 = $24,000 x 3 = $72,000

You can't assume anything and come out with an accurate picture.  You can assume in your favor and want to talk as if it were fact and I could assume in my favor and talk as if it were fact but both would be only opinion.  If he couldn't make it he couldn't make it period.  If that business was his only income he had to also make enough to live on and have enough backup money to cover expenses in the bad times.  We are talking small business here not a large corporation.  You are assuming he was filthy rich because he owed three businesses which isn't always the case, cash on hand at any rate, it could all be on paper.  There are tax breaks he would not be able to take advantage of as a small business that the larger corporations get.  One of your figures, $90,000, would be a hell of a chunk for a small business and if that were less than it would cost to insure them all what would that be.  Remember he has to buy insurance for himself and his family too and that isn't cheap either. 

[me]

Oh, and in all likelihood for a business like that it would be a triple net lease so his expenses would be the same as if he owned it for the most part plus he would still have to maintain business insurance.

[Locutus]

If he couldn't make it he couldn't make it period.   

So cutting all of that other BS out, and completely ignoring how you failed to address the rest of Y's points, let's assume the above is true.  He just couldn't make it under the onerous health care law.

So what about this?

Also, Bob sold two of his operations: "So he did the only logical thing: he gave up and sold his businesses."

If Bob's claim of 'bankruptcy' and 'fines more than his profit' were even remotely believable, what business person would buy Bob's operations?

The logical answer is Bob would not have been able to sell those operations if the purchaser had no reasonable expectation of making a profit.

Bob's claims essentially state there is NO expectation of profit to be had - all because of the AHCA.

As we've seen, Bob can't be seen as anything but a liar - and an obvious one at that.

Who would buy a business from ole' Bob if they couldn't expect to turn a profit?

[Locutus]

Oh, and in all likely hood  for a business like that it would be a triple net lease so his expenses would be the same as if he owned it for the most part plus he would still have to maintain business insurance.

likelihood   

I figured I would zap you on that one before Exterminator gets around to it.   

[me]

So cutting all of that other BS out, and completely ignoring how you failed to address the rest of Y's points, let's assume the above is true.  He just couldn't make it under the onerous health care law.

So what about this?

Who would buy a business from ole' Bob if they couldn't expect to turn a profit?

What Bob did and what someone else might do are two different things.  The buyer may have more money to operate with and different ideas.  There are people who would rather pay less for a business which may not be doing so well and turn it around than pay a big price for a business that's booming and worry about it going down the tubes and losing a large investment.  Y's point is not very valid in what he's trying to figure. 

[Y]

 

Good grief!

You obviously don't EVEN get the point...

...which leaves you absolutely clueless to make an assessment of it.

[me]

Good grief!

You obviously don't EVEN get the point...

...which leaves you absolutely clueless to make an assessment of it.

Yes, I get the point quite well.  You are doing your best to discredit what Huckabee said.

[Henry Hawk]

Y, you sure did make a lot of "assumptions" to arrive at your numbers....but that is ALL beside the point.

Two things.....my first point about the HC act and Bob's business is all real.  It is not made up.
Here is my proof.
http://www.12newsnow.com/story/19920415/obamacare-affecting-small-business-owners

it IS indeed a real concern by many business owners and it has already made a negative impact on our economy.


Second,
My exchange with Locutus, was more to the fact he doesn't like Huck, because he is a creationist.  Apparently that makes him dumb as dirt.  Which I have no problem with Lo, not liking him for whatever reason he wants, but he needs to apply that to others, and Obama too, believes that God Created everything.....sure he may not arrive at the same reasoning as huck, but the overall concept of creationism is still at play.

Thirdly, I really don't care.  The HC Act is NOT a good thing.  That plan is not what the American people need.  Pass any law just to say we did something is NOT good.

[Y]

Y, you sure did make a lot of "assumptions" to arrive at your numbers....but that is ALL beside the point.

Two things.....my first point about the HC act and Bob's business is all real.  It is not made up.
Here is my proof.
http://www.12newsnow.com/story/19920415/obamacare-affecting-small-business-owners

it IS indeed a real concern by many business owners and it has already made a negative impact on our economy.

Hank, pardon my French, but you're a dumbarse.  That story is the same load of crap from the original one - the same load of crap I proved could not be the truth.

You need to stay away from that circle jerk over on HUB and stop getting smoke blown up your arse and stop blowing smoke up those HUB idiot's arses.

[Y]

Thirdly, I really don't care.  The HC Act is NOT a good thing.  That plan is not what the American people need.  Pass any law just to say we did something is NOT good.

The final HC Act is EXACTLY what the Repugs in the Senate and the House wanted it to be, so if you or the rest of your dimwitted party want to complain about it, you should be doing it in the mirror.

Your party gutted what was in essence a REPUBLICAN PLAN - a PLAN the REPUBLICANS had proposed and never passed, a PLAN the REPUBLICAN Mitt Romney DID PASS in MA.

BUT, let a BLACK Democratic President appear as if his administration would get credit for getting that REPUBLICAN PLAN put into law, SUDDENLY the Repugs are against it and gut their OWN PLAN!