Here's Why!

[Y]

Just to show you that you don't read what you post, OR apply ANY critical analysis to it before you post it.

So Y can educate Himself:



Supporters of the individual mandate have harped on the point that it was "originally a conservative idea." (Here's a news story elaborating this view.) It is certainly true that the Heritage Foundation and many Republican politicians supported it. Although this fact hardly establishes that it is a good idea or, when imposed at the federal level, a constitutional one, it is a fact, and it's worth noting. Conservatives were not always as dead-set against the mandate as they are now, and some influential conservatives supported it.

But we shouldn't overstate the case. I think an accurate description of the history of rightist opinion on this question would look at three separate groups: politicians, think tanks, and grassroots conservatives. This last group never really focused on the individual mandate, and never really had any reason to. I doubt that it would ever have been popular with this group.

The think tankers were divided, with the Heritage Foundation an outlier. It was an outlier, too, in the broader right-of-center intellectual world. (For whatever it's worth, I was reading NR pretty closely in the mid-'90s and do not recall its ever endorsing the mandate.)

The politicians were the group most likely to embrace the individual mandate. Most of them gave no serious thought to the issue but thought it would be helpful in resisting various liberal health-care plans, and knew that the Heritage Foundation favored it.

So yes, conservative opinion on the mandate has changed. But I don't think it's right to suggest that most conservative voters or conservative policy thinkers ever supported it. I think what happened is that as soon as grassroots conservatives focused on the mandate, they hated it—and they were right to hate it, in my view–and both the politicians and that one outlier think tank responded to their sentiment.



http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/294585/history-individual-mandate-ramesh-ponnuru

1. Mr. Ponnuru starts out by proving his own 'opinion' isn't credible.

2. He then makes an assumption with absolutely NO evidence to support it.

3. He then makes a statement of fact with absolutely NO evidence to support it.

4. He then takes his unsupported assumption and his unsupported 'fact' and goes on to a TOTALLY unwarranted and unsupported conclusion!


Your 'educational' post is just more evidence that you cannot get away from stroking your own pud - in other words, you can only accept and look for things that self-validate.

[me]

Did either of those bills pass?  No.  Would I have or did I object to either of them?  Yes.  Just because it was proposed doesn't mean a thing it wasn't forced on us like this one was and there is a difference.  You are arguing over something that is a moot point here and proves nothing except people are objecting to the one that did get passed and had the others been ramrodded like this one was they would have been just as objectionable.  What does something that didn't happen have to do with something that did happen?  Those type of mind games may work on you for arguments but it won't wash with me. 

[Henry Hawk]

Just to show you that you don't read what you post, OR apply ANY critical analysis to it before you post it.

YOU, sir, A un-freakin, believable!  THIS, is why it is useless to TRY to have a decent exchange on here.  And, therefore, why I do not worry about remotely trying to prove anything on here.  I can say with 100% certainty, I am indeed on the right side of logic, when it comes to political issues.
You are absolutely able to "twist and spin" issues, like the HC bill and such, and MAKE them whatever YOU want them to be.

The bottom line is that the vast majority of Americans and all logical thinking Conservatives KNEW, this HC Bill was going to be BAD for America.  It has surfaced to be EXACTLY as they claimed.  So spin all you want, you are NOT fooling anybody who KNOWS better.

[Exterminator]

YOU, sir, A un-freakin, believable!  THIS, is why it is useless to TRY to have a decent exchange on here.

Read: "because I can't keep up and I'm tired of having my ass handed to me."

I can say with 100% certainty, I am indeed on the right side of logic, when it comes to political issues.

Punctuation, on the other hand, continues to elude me.   

The bottom line is that the vast majority of Americans and all logical thinking Conservatives KNEW, this HC Bill was going to be BAD for America.

Excuse me but racist rednecks are not the vast majority of the population...yet.  In case you didn't notice, the majority of Americans re-elected Obama.

[Henry Hawk]

In case you didn't notice, the majority of Americans re-elected Obama.

What is your Point?  My statement is still true.


http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/wsjnbcpoll_july2013.pdf
http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/page/politics/july-2013-washington-post-abc-news-national-poll-trayvon-martin/327/
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57595297/poll-americans-still-dissatisfied-with-washington-economy/
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2013/07/24/fox-news-poll-voters-are-unhappy-with-economy-say-repeal-obamacare/
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/health_care_law
http://www.gallup.com/poll/164078/americans-wary-not-familiar-health-law.aspx

[Exterminator]

Here's a poll for you.  Now suck it!  LOL!   

[me]

Now to point out the ridiculousness of the above.

When comparing to find the different underlying factor(s) between the support and resistance from the RW/Republicans, one should look at:

1. Was 'Obamacare' essentially the same as the RW/Republican think tank proposals, the Republican's own plan, and the Republican Mitt Romney's plan?

The answer is a resounding YES!

2. Did the RW/Republicans support the RW/Republican think tank proposals, the Republican's own plan, and the Republican Mitt Romney's plan?

Again, the answer is a resounding YES!

3. Were there Democrats who supported the RW/Republican health care ideas?

The answer is again a resounding YES!


So now, let's look at what IS different since 'Obamacare' is essentially the Republican's plan which always had Democratic support.

1. As the Democrats who wrote 'Obamacare' essentially copied the Republican's plan, the RW/Republican's sudden rejection of their own plan can't be that Democrat's 'wrote' it.

2. Since the RW/Republican's never brought their plan up for debate or hearings nationally, but the RW/Republican plan was passed by a state Democratic legislature and signed into state law by a Republican governor, the RW/Republican's sudden rejection of their own plan can't be due to bi-partisan support or that the plan doesn't work.


Now apply Occam's Razor, and logic arrives at one pronounced difference.

The difference is that the President of the United States is now a 'black' man...

...and folks, THAT means the RW/Republican rejection and resistance to their own plan has its roots in RACISM.

Did either of those bills pass?  No.  Would I have or did I object to either of them?  Yes.  Just because it was proposed doesn't mean a thing it wasn't forced on us like this one was and there is a difference.  You are arguing over something that is a moot point here and proves nothing except people are objecting to the one that did get passed and had the others been ramrodded like this one was they would have been just as objectionable.  What does something that didn't happen have to do with something that did happen?  Those type of mind games may work on you for arguments but it won't wash with me. 

[Henry Hawk]

Here's a poll for you.  Now suck it!  LOL!   

well yeah, if you want to believe in Polls.....

[Exterminator]

[Sandy Eggo]

Like fish in a barrel.

[me]

Guess I'm gonna have to start posting all the stupid crap the liberal's sign and agree with.  I have refrained thus far but you opened the can of worms up.  Thing is it's on video and can't be denied.  Liberals are really gullible.

[Palehorse]

Guess I'm gonna have to start posting all the stupid crap the liberal's sign and agree with.  I have refrained thus far but you opened the can of worms up.  Thing is it's on video and can't be denied.  Liberals are really gullible.

Cannot be any worse than the smorgasbord of shite you've been shoveling around this year!

[me]

Did either of those bills pass?  No.  Would I have or did I object to either of them?  Yes.  Just because it was proposed doesn't mean a thing it wasn't forced on us like this one was and there is a difference.  You are arguing over something that is a moot point here and proves nothing except people are objecting to the one that did get passed and had the others been ramrodded like this one was they would have been just as objectionable.  What does something that didn't happen have to do with something that did happen?  Those type of mind games may work on you for arguments but it won't wash with me. 

Now to point out the ridiculousness of the above.

When comparing to find the different underlying factor(s) between the support and resistance from the RW/Republicans, one should look at:

1. Was 'Obamacare' essentially the same as the RW/Republican think tank proposals, the Republican's own plan, and the Republican Mitt Romney's plan?

The answer is a resounding YES!

2. Did the RW/Republicans support the RW/Republican think tank proposals, the Republican's own plan, and the Republican Mitt Romney's plan?

Again, the answer is a resounding YES!

3. Were there Democrats who supported the RW/Republican health care ideas?

The answer is again a resounding YES!


So now, let's look at what IS different since 'Obamacare' is essentially the Republican's plan which always had Democratic support.

1. As the Democrats who wrote 'Obamacare' essentially copied the Republican's plan, the RW/Republican's sudden rejection of their own plan can't be that Democrat's 'wrote' it.

2. Since the RW/Republican's never brought their plan up for debate or hearings nationally, but the RW/Republican plan was passed by a state Democratic legislature and signed into state law by a Republican governor, the RW/Republican's sudden rejection of their own plan can't be due to bi-partisan support or that the plan doesn't work.


Now apply Occam's Razor, and logic arrives at one pronounced difference.

The difference is that the President of the United States is now a 'black' man...

...and folks, THAT means the RW/Republican rejection and resistance to their own plan has its roots in RACISM.