Hobby Lobby - 1.3 Mill/day fine Starts 1/1/13

[Henry Hawk]

They seek to restrict medical coverage based upon a personal religious belief. That is not only against the law of the land, it is an insidiously anti-constitutional violation.

As for your comment surrounding the inferred knowledge of this being present pre-employment; it is blatantly clear your personal knowledge base surrounding the hiring process falls appallingly short. Moreover, you certainly have no personal knowledge surrounding the status of the job market today with which to base your opinion.

The fact is today as a potential candidate, one is forced to accept not only lower wages, but appallingly abusive "benefit packages" that fail to hit the mark in most employees judgment. As an example of this I would present the increasingly popular (with employers) "high deductible" health plans most are using to skirt the law. Employees are given no choice but to accept said plans, as they are the only option offered, and endure paying 6k in premiums annually, and 3500 dollar deductibles per person covered, before they will even think about starting to pay for even a band aid. (And even then it is at the 80% rate). Instead of being a "healthcare plan" these plans are nothing more than "healthcare disaster insurance" policies that place the burden upon the employees for their diagnostic testing, prescriptions, ER visits, etc.

And now they want to impose their religious beliefs upon their employees too, and are attempting to invoke a constitutional right to do so? Come on man! 

all they want to do is NOT pay for the morning-after pill....other than that, they are complying.

[Palehorse]

all they want to do is NOT pay for the morning-after pill....other than that, they are complying.

Answered previously. . .

They seek to restrict medical coverage based upon a personal religious belief. That is not only against the law of the land, it is an insidiously anti-constitutional violation. . . .

In for a penny, in for a pound.

[Henry Hawk]

and they are willing to challange the regulations in the lower courts....as Justice Sotomayor suggested that they could do.

The alternative is they could close up shop and lay-off 18,000 people.

[Exterminator]

The alternative is they could close up shop and lay-off 18,000 people.

If they refuse to comply with the law, they are a criminal enterprise.  Since when do we worry about how many people stop getting paid when a criminal enterprise is interrupted?

[Palehorse]

. . .Since when do we worry about how many people stop getting paid when a criminal enterprise is interrupted?

Republican party. 

[Palehorse]

and they are willing to challange the regulations in the lower courts....as Justice Sotomayor suggested that they could do.

And that will cost them 1.3 million dollars a day until it is adjudicated (again) in the lower courts.

The alternative is they could close up shop and lay-off 18,000 people.

They can and will do so when they find that 1.3 million dollar a day in new "overhead" costs digging into their profits.

Pretty simple really. Just cover them and they will save 1.3 million a day.    It is after all the law of the land and will make paying the lawyers easier on their business plan.

[Henry Hawk]

Just sayin.....and for the record, I am not against the morning after pill, but think a company, has the right to NOT be forced into PAYING for something that is against thier religious beleifs.

How many people is this REALLY going to effect?  How many would it effect if they closed shop?

I think some common sense is being missed here. 

[Exterminator]

I think some common sense is being missed here.

Indeed it is.  Companies don't have religious beliefs; people do.

[Palehorse]

Just sayin.....and for the record, I am not against the morning after pill, but think a company, has the right to NOT be forced into PAYING for something that is against thier religious beleifs.

At the risk of being redundant I will say again; A corporation has no soul and so can hold no religious belief. It is the humans who comprise the organizational structure of said corporation that hold religious beliefs, and thus they are attempting to utilize an ill-concieved notion that corporation constitutional rights provide them with a platform with which to impose their personal beliefs upon the employees of said corporation(s).

How many people is this REALLY going to effect?  How many would it effect if they closed shop?

By your count, 18,000. (If said information has any credibility at all). And that's the short-sighted answer.
Corporate Amerika is watching this one, and if an exception is legally obtained they will flood the courts nation-wide for exceptions of their own. THAT is ONE of the real dangers in this.

I think some common sense is being missed here.

Indeed. Cover them and save 1.3 million dollars a day seems to be a no brainer.

[me]

Obviously you didn't read the story. It has already been there and they lost. They, like some here, refuse to get over it and comply with the law.

It should not be a law is the thing you're overlooking.  They obviously do not cover it now and the employees are ok with it so why should they be forced to cover it under Obama care?  Now you could always boycott the store and shut them down and put all those people out of work so they could go elsewhere to work where it is covered.  Ya, that's a great idea.

[Henry Hawk]

btw, the law also says that Corporations DO HAVE RIGHTS....

[Exterminator]

It should not be a law is the thing you're overlooking.

Why; because you don't agree with it?

[Palehorse]

btw, the law also says that Corporations DO HAVE RIGHTS....

And one of them appears to be the right to abuse the individual constitutional rights of their employees without fear of recrimination.

[Palehorse]

It should not be a law is the thing you're overlooking.  They obviously do not cover it now and the employees are ok with it so why should they be forced to cover it under Obama care?  Now you could always boycott the store and shut them down and put all those people out of work so they could go elsewhere to work where it is covered.  Ya, that's a great idea.

Sorry. Hank already tried this angle and it doesn't work any different just because you are trying it.

[Henry Hawk]

And one of them appears to be the right to abuse the individual constitutional rights of their employees without fear of recrimination.

the just don't want to pay for the morning after pill..............that' it.