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Started by Exterminator, November 06, 2012, 11:20:39 PM

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The Troll

Quote from: Exterminator on November 18, 2012, 09:28:27 PM
The CEO of our company makes over $66,000.00 an hour.  Try to wrap your head around that!

   And this is 24 hours a day, he's working when he eats, when he plays golf, when he's out at the country club dancing and drinking and when he's sleeping.  Because he's thinking about his job 24 hours a day.  Hell, he's still making money, if he can get up, while he's making out.  Just ask some 4 Star Generals we Americans have.  :haha:  :haha:

Exterminator

Quote from: The Troll on November 19, 2012, 09:37:26 AM
And this is 24 hours a day...

No, this is based on a normal 2,080 hour work year.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

The Troll

Quote from: Exterminator on November 19, 2012, 10:50:57 AM
No, this is based on a normal 2,080 hour work year.

  If he is just working for the corporation he is over paid.  No man working for anyone is worth $66,000 an hour.  The only way a person is, is they invented it, sang it, wrote it, cause it to be.   :no: :no: :no:  This old boy could drop dead and someone would come in probably do a better job for less money.   :yes:  Executives pay scale are sure out of control and the stock holders and the American sure pay for it.  :rant:

Henry Hawk

Or he can close the doors and fire everybody.....HE could retire and still have a wonderful life.  He is already set.

But, he continuers to run a very, very successful corportation....and over 5,000 people are making a wonderful living and paying taxes.

"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

The Troll

Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 19, 2012, 01:09:32 PM
Or he can close the doors and fire everybody.....HE could retire and still have a wonderful life.  He is already set.

But, he continuers to run a very, very successful corportation....and over 5,000 people are making a wonderful living and paying taxes.

  Sing, sing sing, your little song Bird Boy. :bird:  Other than that, at this moment, :nocomment:  :jester:

Exterminator

Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 19, 2012, 01:09:32 PM
Or he can close the doors and fire everybody.....HE could retire and still have a wonderful life.  He is already set.

But, he continuers to run a very, very successful corportation....and over 5,000 people are making a wonderful living and paying taxes.

Indeed he does and no one is questioning whether or not he deserves to be handsomely compensated.  The question becomes whether or not anyone is actually worth more per hour than most of the people in the country make in a year and/or whether or not he would continue to do the job if he made, say $10 or $20 million instead of $140 million?  I would submit that he would and further evidence of this is that he did.

Now let's explore your bullshit a bit further; shall we?

Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 16, 2012, 03:59:52 PM
But it seems like as long as it is federal workers, everything is fine......Despite nearly $16 billion in annual losses announced by the Postal Sevice on Thursday, all but one of the top five executives for the nations mail service had an overall  compensation increase this year...Postmaster General Donahoe, for  instance, earned a base salary of $276,840, but even without a bonus or  incentive payout, his overall compensation came to $512,093, compared with  $384,229 in 2011, according to regulatory filings...

See, the problem I have is this...you defend someone making more in a day for providing 5,000 taxpaying jobs than the Postmaster General makes in a year for providing more than 550,000 taxpaying jobs.  So Donahoe manages more than 110 times the number of people for less than 1/250th of the pay and you somehow feel he's over-compensated?

Additionally, the USPS must, by law, continue to provide mail service to every address in the United States, faces very real losses in revenue due to technology (email, etc.) and is restricted by Congress on how much it can raise rates every year.  I would say Donahoe faces a lot more challenges for the relatively small amount of money he makes than someone running a public/privately held corporation. 

So what is your issue with it?  Oh, yeah, this...

QuoteNow THAT is greedy bastards.......using the peoples money.

Unfortunately, all you are doing with this statement is showing your ignorance.  The Postal Service receives NO tax dollars for operating expenses and relies on the sale of postage, products and services to fund its operations. They are required by law to cover their costs.

Here's some other things you probably don't realize:

The Postal Service has the world's largest retail network — larger than McDonald's, Walmart and Starbucks combined (in U.S.).

The Postal Service can and does compete with the private sector — and it collaborates, too. UPS and FedEx pay the Postal Service to deliver more than 400 million of their ground packages to residences and the Postal Service pays them for air transportation — taking advantage of their comprehensive air network.

The Postal Service is the only organization in the country that has the manpower, network infrastructure and logistical capability to deliver to every residence and business in the U.S. and its territories.

An independent assessment by Oxford Strategic Consulting named the U.S. Postal Service the best postal service among the 20 largest economies in the world. Criteria included the average number of citizens served, the number of letters and parcels delivered, service reliability and public trust.

The Postal Service is environmentally friendly and is a respected sustainability leader. It was promoting sustainable practices long before doing so was encouraged, mandated or governed.

Mail is a great communication tool. No monthly plans. No signal outages. No roaming charges. Regardless of geographic location, anyone can send a letter for just 45¢ anywhere in the United States and its territories.

Mail is reliable, trusted and secure — federal laws protecting the sanctity of the U.S. Mail are enforced by the U.S. Postal Inspection Service.

The Postal Service has the world's largest civilian fleet and the world's largest alternative fuel–enabled fleet of vehicles.

The Postal Service delivered 168 billion pieces of mail in 2011 — facilitating $10 trillion in commerce.


I would submit that, considering the magnitude of the operation and the restrictions under which it is forced to operate, Donahoe earns every penny of his paltry compensation, especially when compared with the compensation of CEO's of corporations.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Henry Hawk

Quote from: Exterminator on November 19, 2012, 02:39:53 PM

Now let's explore your bullshit a bit further; shall we?

See, the problem I have is this...you defend someone making more in a day for providing 5,000 taxpaying jobs than the Postmaster General makes in a year for providing more than 550,000 taxpaying jobs.  So Donahoe manages more than 110 times the number of people for less than 1/250th of the pay and you somehow feel he's over-compensated?

Additionally, the USPS must, by law, continue to provide mail service to every address in the United States, faces very real losses in revenue due to technology (email, etc.) and is restricted by Congress on how much it can raise rates every year.  I would say Donahoe faces a lot more challenges for the relatively small amount of money he makes than someone running a public/privately held corporation. 

So what is your issue with it?  Oh, yeah, this...

Unfortunately, all you are doing with this statement is showing your ignorance.  The Postal Service receives NO tax dollars for operating expenses and relies on the sale of postage, products and services to fund its operations. They are required by law to cover their costs.

The big difference is that the Post Office is losing $57 million dollars a DAY.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2012/08/09/20120809usps-near-bankrupt-reports-billion-loss.html

I don't think YOUR business would still exist if they were losing money of that magnitude.

So I actually would not say a word IF the USPS was making money.
also, I fully realize how the USPS works and what they do.  If they charged what it takes to MAKE a profit...they would no longer exist.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

The Troll



  I have realized long, long ago the Henry doesn't know shit about anything.  :haha:  I don't how he mastered his wiring job.   :yes:  I wonder what they call him at work, Sparky or Smokey from all of the wiring he's smoked.  :haha:

   All this Parrot knows is what some other dumb ass has told him.  Really I have lost all respect and any trust in what he says.   :yes:  To me he a know nothing and with a big mouth what writes checks with his mouth that his ass can't cash.   :rant:

The Troll

Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 19, 2012, 03:22:40 PM
The big difference is that the Post Office is losing $57 million dollars a DAY.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2012/08/09/20120809usps-near-bankrupt-reports-billion-loss.html

I don't think YOUR business would still exist if they were losing money of that magnitude.

So I actually would not say a word IF the USPS was making money.
also, I fully realize how the USPS works and what they do.  If they charged what it takes to MAKE a profit...they would no longer exist.

   Damn, damn, damn Henry, here you go again, not knowing anything your taking about.  What a damn shame.  :doh:  Just Goggle in how much the Post office has to pay in to the over funded Postal retirement fund.  This year the Post Office owes the government $5.5 Billion in retirement funds.   :rant:

  Your Republican Party planned this to break the post office so they can privatize it.   :yes:  Do some damn research before your open your damn mouth.   :yes:  Again you don't know shit Henry.  :haha:

Henry Hawk

Quote from: The Troll on November 19, 2012, 03:37:27 PM
   Damn, damn, damn Henry, here you go again, not knowing anything your taking about.  What a damn shame.  :doh:  Just Goggle in how much the Post office has to pay in to the over funded Postal retirement fund.  This year the Post Office owes the government $5.5 Billion in retirement funds.   :rant:

  Your Republican Party planned this to break the post office so they can privatize it.   :yes:  Do some damn research before your open your damn mouth.   :yes:  Again you don't know shit Henry.  :haha:

What have I said that was wrong troll........exactly what did I say?

they are LOSING money!  I don't care who they owe...they are not a profitable organization.  Not at the rates the charge.  If they charged what they needed to, they would not compete against the private world.  Perhaps YOU should think before you open your mouth, sir.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

The Troll

Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 19, 2012, 03:52:24 PM
What have I said that was wrong troll........exactly what did I say?

they are LOSING money!  I don't care who they owe...they are not a profitable organization.  Not at the rates the charge.  If they charged what they needed to, they would not compete against the private world.  Perhaps YOU should think before you open your mouth, sir.

  Let me tell you this Henry, if the Postal Service is loosing money on a nonprofit model, no private business is going to do it.  The Postal Service has shut down post offices cut hours, but yet they as a private entity has to go to congress to get a fee raise.  They can't drop unprofitable routes, unprofitable states, unprofitable counties and unprofitable rural areas.  Like United Parcel or FED EX and the airlines can and does stop service to unprofitable areas.   :yes:  The Postal Service has a pledge to congress to do this in all 50 States.  Neither snow or rain nor heat nor gloom of night stay  these couriers service from the swift completion of their appointed rounds.  Period!

  Henry, I know you won't believe this, but you can send a piece, part, bees packages practically anything to anywhere in the 50 states and overseas.

  Right now and it has happen to me, if United Parcel doesn't want to deliver to my house, they leave it as the post office.  It has happened to me several time and it is happening all over the country.  Especially Alaska.  But I suppose you never heard of that, have you?

   Why don't you make a little search about why they are loosing money.   :doh:  Oh, oh, I know it's all the greedy unions fault.  :jester:

me

Quote from: The Troll on November 17, 2012, 09:47:51 AM
   Pleeeese don't bullshit me "ME".  Here in Indiana the gift tax it $10,000 if it isn't to a political hack.   :yes:  They get their payoff in campaign funds.   :yes:

  Here in Indiana you can give a gift up to $10,000 over that the giver has to pay tax on it.  So that lets you out, because your aren't a giver.  :kiss:

   I just went over to Goggle and asked they how the gift tax worked in New York.   :yes:  It really easy to check facts, as easy to get bullshit from the Republican Party.

  It says that you can give up to $13,000 to as many people you want as long as the gift don't go over $15.12 Million life limit.  So your Kock brother idol could have gave his door man $13,000 and neither one of them would have had to pay taxes on it.   :wink: :biggrin:  Oh, that's right you don't have any money to give away, you just bought that Half a million dollar house.  :kiss:

  Also for your information each Koch Brother is worth  $25 Billion each for a total of $50 Billion.  How about that I did a little math for yah.   :wink:  :kiss:  Red of head.   :gorgeous:
Read what I bolded and let it sink, including the underlined word.  Giving and receiving are two different things.  Also check and see if they have a real estate tax there.
Trump 2020

The Troll



  As you put it, waitress, hat check girls, male servers, valets, hair dress, barber, and door men don't need or want a tip or Christmas gift.  Hell, I give my newspaper man $50 Christmas gift for years and he puts my newspaper right next to my door, rain, snow or shine and I do appreciate it.  It tickles me to see the neighbor's newspaper spread all over the place, out in the middle of the yard when there is a foot of snow on the ground and  mine is right next to the door.   :yes: :biggrin:  Two years ago I blew the snow off my neighbor's drive way and ran over 2 different day newspapers.  :haha:

  My barber gives men over 65 a hair cut for $6 and I give her $10 and Christmas I give her twenty.   :yes: :biggrin:

  What is with you, you don't think that someone who gives you good service needs a little love and money.  "ME" you can :azz:  SCROOGE  :grinch:

  And Boobie Bear, what in hell does this have to do with real estate tax in New York and about the Billionaire cheap ass giving his door man $50 for Christmas.  Give me a break, Boobie Bear.  :kiss:  If I was a Billionaire I would give my door man $13,500 for Christmas and to tell him to have a good Christmas for his kids and wife.  And I would suprise everyone who gave me good service from my pocket change, big tips.   :yes: :biggrin:  You know you need a real life makeover, for you're sure sick now.   :thubb:

me

Quote from: The Troll on November 16, 2012, 05:48:54 PM
  Henry was as it David or was it Charles Kock that gave his door man at his multimillion appartment in New York City $50 for Christmas.  Old Scrooge at work.   :mad: :rant:
Oops my bad.  I misread your statement.  For some silly reason I thought you said he gave him an apt, as in condo, for $50.  Duh, I think I need sleep.  As Gilda Radner used to say...."never mind".   
Trump 2020

The Troll

Quote from: me on November 20, 2012, 12:52:48 AM
Oops my bad.  I misread your statement.  For some silly reason I thought you said he gave him an apt, as in condo, for $50.  Duh, I think I need sleep.  As Gilda Radner used to say...."never mind".

    :biggrin:  That's alright, it's just you being "ME"  :kiss: