SCOTUS upholds Affordable Care Act in its entirety!

[The Troll]

Please spell out exactly what it is that you don't like.  You've already posted a graphic containing flat out lies, but I'm still willing to entertain your banter.

  Sticky Poo, this ObamaCare is a copy of Romneycare.  Switzerland has this type of health insurance for over 20 years and a poll was taken among the Swiss and every body is happy with it.  This in not England where they don't grow grapes.  But it is still sour grapes from you    
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[me]

Please spell out exactly what it is that you don't like.  You've already posted a graphic containing flat out lies, but I'm still willing to entertain your banter.

Been there done that ain't doin' it again. 

[Locutus]

Been there done that ain't doin' it again. 

Then how are we to believe there's any validity to the points you claim to have made in light of today's ruling, especially since you just posted a graphic that contains flat out lies?   Help me out here. 

[Locutus]

Anyone care to tell us what it is about the graphic that is a lie?

[me]

Then how are we to believe there's any validity to the points you claim to have made in light of today's ruling, especially since you just posted a graphic that contains flat out lies?   Help me out here.

Guess the SCOTUS fixed the part about being able to confiscate bank accounts but it is a tax which will be collected by the IRS and taken out of the peoples pocket.  But it's probably gonna be a moot point anyway since most people will be on the government healthcare if things continue as they are and going to clinic like places for their healthcare. 

[Locutus]

Guess the SCOTUS fixed the part about being able to confiscate bank accounts but it is a tax which will be collected by the IRS and taken out of the peoples pocket.  But it's probably gonna be a moot point anyway since most people will be on the government healthcare if things continue as they are and going to clinic like places for their healthcare. 

Actually, no they didn't "fix" that part; it was in the original bill had any of you bothered to educate yourselves about what's actually in there. 

Now you just posted another lie.  There's no part of this health care law that can possibly be construed as 'government healthcare.'  Remember how the poor insurance companies didn't want the government option because they didn't want to have to 'unfairly compete' for insureds?   The only thing government in there is the expansion of Medicaid, and surprisingly, that's the only part of the legislation that was limited by the SCOTUS. 

Now you and HH have been going around here all day spreading lies about liens, levies, and jail time based on what?  Are these your own conclusions, or things that you heard on the news or via an email?   It doesn't matter really, because they're nothing more than lies.  You two are but a microcosm of the problems that go on today.  How many people like you are spreading those same lies on Internet forums, via email, on social media sites, in coffee shops, in restaurants, and the like all across this country?

How can anything be made better in this country as long as SO many people are willing to spread pure, flat out lies?

[Locutus]

It needs mentioned again.  Think about what I'm saying here:

"One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda."   -- Locutus

[Henry Hawk]

Now you and HH have been going around here all day spreading lies about liens, levies, and jail time based on what?

you are lying right now, when exactly did I say any lies about lien, levies and jailtime?  I said, there will be some who are going to be taxed...that is true....and I said, if they decide not to pay that tax, the irs can do thier thing, and fine them or, jailtime....everything is true, and likely to happen under the new HC bill.  not one lie, and I don't appreciate your insinuation...I like you, but don't go making crap up about what said or didnt say.

I don't have time now to get into this, but an apology would be nice.

[Henry Hawk]

It needs mentioned again.  Think about what I'm saying here:

"One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda."   -- Locutus

take a long look in the mirror, before you make statements like that....

[Anne]

Presidents from both parties have been trying to do this for 80 years and now we have a framework from which we can build.  Had this been the work of a white Republican, these same people would be singing his praises...in fact, they did when Mitt Romney pushed almost exactly this same legislation through in Massachusetts and the Huffington Post praised the individual mandate.  And yet, it isn't about politics or race...it's simply bad policy...fucking please.

I'll say it again...the only people who will be subjected to this new "tax" are those who can afford health insurance and choose not to pay for it.

On a personal level, I was one of those people.  Having been self employed for many, many years, I paid for my own health insurance.  As I got older, my premiums increased every year until I decided it was too much to pay for health insurance that I never used anyway and let it expire.  Fortunately, I wasn't involved in any serious accident nor did I experience any catastrophic health episode while uninsured but I could have been and if I had been, I'd have probably been forced to file bankruptcy leaving the health care system no alternative but to increase everyone else's costs to pay for me.  During that time I was living in a 3,500 square foot house in VanBuskirk Heights and driving a $65,000.00 Mercedes with a $900.00 monthly payment.  I could have easily continued to pay my health insurance premiums; I just didn't want to.

This law penalizes no one on this forum; it penalizes jackasses like me who have the means to pay for health insurance and choose not to.  Do you really have a problem with that?

They removed the ability of the insurance companies to refuse to sell to a person with a pre existing condition, right? What would stop people like you from paying the $95 and then buying insurance when they get sick? What do you think this will do to insurance premiums? Maybe it won't make any difference, but we won't know for a year or two. If I knew my doctor better I would ask him what he thought about it, although I believe he is employed by one of the local hospitals and doesn't have to worry about payments.

[Locutus]

you are lying right now, when exactly did I say any lies about lien, levies and jailtime?  I said, there will be some who are going to be taxed...that is true....and I said, if they decide not to pay that tax, the irs can do thier thing, and fine them or, jailtime....everything is true, and likely to happen under the new HC bill.  not one lie, and I don't appreciate your insinuation...I like you, but don't go making crap up about what said or didnt say.

I don't have time now to get into this, but an apology would be nice.

You said it just now and you said it before.  Right here:

There is NOW a precident, that our federal government can FORCE us to buy anything they wish, as long as they have the votes....to mandate or pay a tax.

can they not, say all Americans MUST drive a hybrid car or pay a tax?  of coarse if you don't pay your taxes, the IRS is on your ass, and could take you to jail.

this is a bad bill....and the ruling of it, has set a precident for things to come.


We did not exhaust all the ideas of allowing the free market to fix this mess.  The government stepped in, and I have all the confidence it will be for the worse...for ALL Americans, especially those who had good insurance.

Those are flat out lies HH.  Nothing in this law gives the IRS any power whatsoever to do any of the things you're suggesting in these two posts, and as a matter of fact, the law expressly forbids it.  But you wouldn't know that because you're too busy spreading around what you've been fed by the entertainment outlets you choose to listen to in a day.   It's a flat out lie.  Lies don't have to be explicit, they can be implicit as well and that's exactly the kind of lying you and 'me' have been engaging in here today.  You tied jail time to the enforcement of this law and that's simply not true.

Now please point out where I'm wrong about the assumptions, false accusations, and fear mongering that you and 'me' have been engaging in today.   I'm all ears.  Those words above are your words used in discussing the ACA on this thread from earlier today.  You absolutely implied jail time while spreading your BS about this law and ruling. 

[Locutus]

take a long look in the mirror, before you make statements like that....

Why?  I've already shown that I know more about this law than you apparently do.  You're the one spreading the implication of 'jail time' for people who don't buy health care.  That's a flat out lie HH.  There's no way around it. 

[The Troll]

Why?  I've already shown that I know more about this law than you apparently do.  You're the one spreading the implication of 'jail time' for people who don't buy health care.  That's a flat out lie HH.  There's no way around it.

  You can say anything about the lies that has gone on.  BUT, OBAMACARE IS THE LAW OF LAND!

  But, look up bone head John Boner is going to present a bill in the House of Representives tomorrow to repeal ObamaCare.      What do you think of it passing through the Senate and what is the chance of Obama veto it.   

   Again after CNN and Fox News came out saying that ObamaCare was turned down by the Supreme and there was dancing in the streets by the Republicans, it was or not, didn't happen, not turned down, NO.

  Oh the gnashing and grinding of the teeth, it was a dark days in Alice's Wonderland for the mighty Republicans for once again they stepped on their dicks.     

                                                         

[Locutus]

Yep!  Look at some of these early erroneous tweets! 

[The Troll]

Yep!  Look at some of these early erroneous tweets! 

  After all of the dirty tricks from the Republican Party and all of the asshole sent to congress by the Tea Baggers.  Locutus you can't believe the happiness that has filled my heart with this great victory over the assholes who said, "Our main job is to make Obama a one term president."

  I have been so sick of the lying and deceiving the Republican party has pulled over the last three and a half years.  I really think this is a momentous moment.  With the Republican Supreme Court making law that Millionaires and Billionaires can give million of dollars to buy an election.  We are going to kick The Golden Mitten ass and bury the son of a bitch.  After this defeat, the Golden Con man, the Golden stick man. will go back to his $$28 Million home for just him and his wife, never to be heard from again.  One Mormon bites the dust.