Sandusky Trial

[The Troll]

Y, as you know I respect you, but I think you are getting to philosophical here.  I think there is MORE than enough evidence to KNOW that Sandusky "crossed the line".  I agree our system is far from perfect, and many times it is flat out wrong.  I think OJ is a great example of how our system failed.  There was MORE than enough evidence to prove his guilt, but our system allowed most of the concrete evidence to not be  used.  THERE WAS 45 charges of sexually abusing young boys! forty five!  And three more have come out today saying THEY were abused back in the late 70's.

  It's all over the idiot is going to jail for life.  Why try a University.  All of the lawyers and bench warmers want is a pound of flesh and some money.  It's over lets move one.  I know a great lesson has been leaned, it won't happen there again.  Get over it, it's water over the damn,.   

[Palehorse]

I couldn't give a rat's ass if Paterno won every single football game he coached -- that does not justify his incredibly cold-hearted, crass, bullshit way he bought his "out" over the sexual abuse of those children. Even if it were only ONE child, the deal would NEVER have been justified.

He proposed it. Let his legacy live with that.

Every trace of Paterno should be erased from Penn State, with the exception of an enormous plaque, apologizing for the travesty committed on and off the campus by a trusted employee and the appalling, sickening cover-up that has followed.

Agreed. Hopefully you did not misinterpret my previous post as being supportive in any way of Paterno and his abject failure to uphold his responsibility to the children being porked by Sandusky.

But the man is dead, and speculating on what he deserves for his obvious delinquencies serves no purpose. I do agree he should be wiped from the history and campus of Penn State. (Along with every single one of his peers who failed just as miserably). 

[followsthewolf]

Nope, PH. Didn't interpret your post as such.

Just got all fired up for a moment, lost control, and went on a mini-rant.

I have a problem when people decide to idolize others for the wrong reasons.

[Palehorse]

Nope, PH. Didn't interpret your post as such.

Just got all fired up for a moment, lost control, and went on a mini-rant.

I have a problem when people decide to idolize others for the wrong reasons.

I share that proclivity my friend! 

[Y]

And the demonization continues - the Paterno statue coming down - and it's not even the right parties:

...The parties that need to be looked at are the LEO's and the prosecutor involved in the original investigation.  They either had it right and there was no evidence of sexual abuse, or they conspired to avoid sullying the school's name and athletic program...

[The Troll]

And the demonetization continues - the Paterno statue coming down - and it's not even the right parties:

  It's that invisible pound of flesh that the angry crowd of Do Gooders need to calm their own conscience.     Burn everyone at the stake. 

[Palehorse]

And Penn State will be subjected to unprecedented sanctions due to the situation. Announcement of just what those sanctions will be is to be unveiled in Indianapolis at the NCAA HQ tomorrow.

[The Troll]

And Penn State will be subjected to unprecedented sanctions due to the situation. Announcement of just what those sanctions will be is to be unveiled in Indianapolis at the NCAA HQ tomorrow.

  Yep, let's hurt the students and the football program.  The NCAA will have to get its pound of flesh too.  If they are going to do anything, get, which they can't, the people that are guilty.   

[followsthewolf]

When the football program becomes one of the primary reasons for support of a university, that university sits on uneasy ground.

The program (hence, the university) enjoyed years of unprecedented adulation and support -- primarily focused on one individual.

Dangerous territory.

If that individual, and those around him are found to be seriously flawed, the program, and, by association, the university will be deemed to have been flawed.

Whether it is fatal or not is dependent upon the actions taken by the program and the university.

The university rode it to riches; now it must, by nature, bite the bullet.

Their choice. They have to live or die with it.

[The Troll]

  Guaranteed, they won't die.  Just a speed bump. 

[Palehorse]

  Guaranteed, they won't die.  Just a speed bump. 

I wouldn't be so quick to say that. Given the travesty unfolding, I wouldn't be surprised to see the NCAA impose VERY harsh sanctions on Penn State; including ending scholarships for a decade.

No matter which side you fall on in this thing, the fact remains that high level leadership failed completely; all in the name of the "brand". Volleyball, hockey, mens/women's, as well as all other sports programs at that institution existed on the revenues generated by the football program. A program that facilitated a child molester for decades. (And whether the "statute of limitations" applies or not, those facts alone require remediation that includes harsh punishment that will ensure that the boards and leadership organizations of every single institution of higher learning understand that NOTHING is more important than the lives of those who are there to learn. NOTHING. )

That law enforcement has not been held accountable yet is also maddening. The red flags were there and waving vigorously. But they were persuaded by the "brand" to look the other way. That is intolerable; or should be.

Penn State will, and should, pay the price for its abject failures.

As some of you have said before; "this country is full of universities", so losing one should not matter. Especially when the "brand" means more than the objective of the institutions very existence.

[followsthewolf]

They are too much of a cash cow for the NCAA.

[The Troll]

   Again I disagree.  Why punish the teachers, the staff, the caretakers, the students for the mistake of a few eggs heads.  I don't see and I don't foresee any big percussion coming down on everything the college stands for education, making good citizens and sports.  Just because of a few.

  But, there are the few that always want a pound of flesh and someone to punish.  Stop the witch hunt, we know who is guilty are and one is going to prison for life.

[followsthewolf]

Hey Troll, that's what I mean.

Penn State makes too much money and too much publicity for the NCAA for them to kick the university in the teeth.

But, if you ride the coattails of one person, you take the bad with the good.

If the ride's over, the ride's over. If it's not, it's not.

And aren't you the one who is always slamming those who have degrees?

[The Troll]

Hey Troll, that's what I mean.

Penn State makes too much money and too much publicity for the NCAA for them to kick the university in the teeth.

But, if you ride the coattails of one person, you take the bad with the good.

If the ride's over, the ride's over. If it's not, it's not.

And aren't you the one who is always slamming those who have degrees?

  I thought you were an educated man with a degree.  But you can't get over what I said about some people with a degree that are totally stupid and brain dead.  You talk like I was talking to you directly.  Are you shameful that you got an education and you are very lucky to be where you are?  Because you have fooled all of these people for all of these years that you are not as smart as your tests show.  Is that your problem Bunky?  But, I have see it many time the person just doesn't have it.   Are you saying that all people, men and women with college degrees are smart and intelligent.   

  I am quite sure that you have read the Peter Principle.  You know where some one who has a great education is advanced to a place in the business where that person is totally incompetent.  Is that you.  It sure bothers you what this plumber said.  Get over it.  Your beginning to sound like a cry baby.