Interesting Facebook thread indirectly supporting Y's thread about lies we love

[Palehorse]

  As I surmise, you guys are talking about our troops pissing on the the enemy miserable bodies.  The bastards can kill us, kill innocent people, chop heads off and all many many dastardly things in the name of Allah and we have to treat them with respect.  Bullshit! 

  If we can kill the bastards we can piss on the son of bitches.  I am so sick of the cry babies crying about killing the enemy and these bastards are our enemy.  I wish they would let our boys collect their ears and give the men $100 for each ear.  Good riddance. 

  Black Jack Pershing rid the Phillippines of Islamic extremism by executing Muslim terrorist and burying them with pigs blood and entrails.  I personally would like to see it done now in Afghanistan.    I wonder if they could get the 72 virgins with pigs blood all over them.       Let's kill all of the bastard Muslims and get this damn war over and let our people come home. 

Didn't your momma ever ay to you, "Two wrongs do not make a right" ?

That premise still holds true today. Again I will say our military leaders and personnel have an incumbent responsibility to take the high road in all situations. 

[The Troll]

Didn't your momma ever ay to you, "Two wrongs do not make a right" ?

That premise still holds true today. Again I will say our military leaders and personnel have an incumbent responsibility to take the high road in all situations. 

  So you are saying that Black Jack Pershing who won his war in the Phillippines was wrong.  It takes evil to defeat evil and the Taliban are evil in everything they do to people in the name of God.  Let us pray. 

[Palehorse]

  So you are saying that Black Jack Pershing who won his war in the Phillippines was wrong.  It takes evil to defeat evil and the Taliban are evil in everything they do to people in the name of God.  Let us pray. 

What I am saying is that the road to balance is not to be paved with human atrocities, that doing what others have done unto you is just as wrong as the original act. In fact it is more so.

Aren't you one who throws about the Golden Rule here a lot of the time?

Winning a war by acts that violate common rules of civility and boarder on human rights violations, and sometimes outright violations of them, is not a complete victory; for while you may win the war you lose the moral victory and leave the battlefield strewn with broken relationships.

[The Troll]

What I am saying is that the road to balance is not to be paved with human atrocities, that doing what others have done unto you is just as wrong as the original act. In fact it is more so.

Aren't you one who throws about the Golden Rule here a lot of the time?

Winning a war by acts that violate common rules of civility and boarder on human rights violations, and sometimes outright violations of them, is not a complete victory; for while you may win the war you lose the moral victory and leave the battlefield strewn with broken relationships.

  Poo, poo, poo.  War is hell and second place finish is not for me.  As far as the golden rule, sure I like it.  But since I don't believing in turning the other cheeks.  You hurt my people, do evil things to my people.  I will do the same thing too you and some more.  Because I am going to win over the evil you do too me. 

  It's  plain fact and simple.  Do un to me and mine as you would want me to do to you.  Those soldiers are mine.  As Achman (Jeff Dunham's) the suicide bomber says, "I kill you".   

  Who in hell says war is civil and who says that war will ever be civil and fair.  If you play fair in air combat you will be a dead pilot.  The secret of an Ace pilot is sneak up behind the bastard and kill him, shoot him down.  To all of the fighter pilots. 

[Locutus]

I saw a news article on the topic that stated that the Taliban had decried the act as barbaric.  I found that WAY beyond ironic given the absolute brutality they engage in on a daily basis.

[Palehorse]

  Poo, poo, poo.  War is hell and second place finish is not for me.  As far as the golden rule, sure I like it.  But since I don't believing in turning the other cheeks.  You hurt my people, do evil things to my people.  I will do the same thing too you and some more.  Because I am going to win over the evil you do too me. 

  It's  plain fact and simple.  Do un to me and mine as you would want me to do to you.  Those soldiers are mine.  As Achman (Jeff Dunham's) the suicide bomber says, "I kill you".   

  Who in hell says war is civil and who says that war will ever be civil and fair.  If you play fair in air combat you will be a dead pilot.  The secret of an Ace pilot is sneak up behind the bastard and kill him, shoot him down.  To all of the fighter pilots. 

Clearly some portions of humanity have not evolved much beyond neanderthal thinking.

Things happen in the heat of battle, and prolonged exposure to such conditions evoke primitive survival thought processes.

While making a cognitive decision under such duress may be questionable for the average individual, military leadership are trained to do so, and failed miserably in the case in question here, in my opinion.
Unless we properly lead in a manner that punishes the unacceptable, then we are destined to seeing the long term results become individuals who do such things within civilized society instead of war.

The line must be drawn and enforced, lest we loose a bastion of sociopathic individuals upon our country when these men and women come home. For example:

If urinating on the body of a dead combatant is deemed acceptable during war, then when the men/women performing such practices come home, and get into a bar room brawl that they win by knocking out their opponent, and subsequently urinate on them, they will be in for a plethora of legal charges being placed against them; including use of biological substances.

Then some sectors of society will seek to "give them a pass" based upon the fact they "fought for our country", which in the mind of the sociopath equates to approval of the behaviors. And the cycle will continue until the former military member is incarcerated for acts much worse, which are deemed illegal in a civilized society, but learned within acts of war.

[Palehorse]

I saw a news article on the topic that stated that the Taliban had decried the act as barbaric.  I found that WAY beyond ironic given the absolute brutality they engage in on a daily basis.

I saw the same article yesterday, and my initial reaction was the same; however once I considered the source I dismissed it.

[Henry Hawk]

Here are my 2 cents....

I am NOT going to condone it or say it was the right thing to do....but, If I have to pick sides, I am picking my boys over THEIR boys.

I think it was a shame that it was video taped and became an issue.  I would rather NOT know that this ever happened.  The weasle who released the tape is the one who should have his butt kicked.

Our men and women CHOSE to serve, they volunteered to protect our country.  I have nothing but respect for them...and perhaps they need to have the benefit of doubt, since WE were not there and have any understanding of what led up to that event.

No, it does NOT mean they can come home and do this act, and expect to not be punished...I agree with PH, we should always take the high road.

Just a hypothetical, but what IF, those very taliban that was pissed on, where the actual men who cut off Nick Bergs head?  Would that change the attitude?

[Locutus]

Actually, I wasn't really trying to elicit responses to the actual pictures themselves, as I was to the commentary on the Facebook thread as it related to Y's thread on Americans loving their lies.  I was specifically speaking to Grady's posts, and how he was attacked, demeaned, and belittled for basically saying nothing but the truth. 

I crossed swords with him on CNHI's Hey Martha forums, because he espoused several conservative/religious views that I didn't agree with.  However, after reading what he posted on that thread, he really was speaking nothing but the truth and was attacked for it.  He even said he didn't care about the soldiers urinating on the dead Taliban and still was subjected to an onslaught of attacks from the others. 

Go back and read what he said on the first one or two pages of this thread, and observe what happened to him.

[Palehorse]

No doubt in my mind that a large sector of America's citizens are so puffed up with the propaganda induce pride, that they will blindly lash out at anyone who dares to present a position that may cast the whole condition within the brighter light of truth.

It's the same as the religious zealousness exhibited by many. . . 

[Y]

Actually, I wasn't really trying to elicit responses to the actual pictures themselves, as I was to the commentary on the Facebook thread as it related to Y's thread on Americans loving their lies.  I was specifically speaking to Grady's posts, and how he was attacked, demeaned, and belittled for basically saying nothing but the truth...

There has been this inane American myth ( read: lie ) created that people buy into and gawd help anyone that speaks facts to that lie.

The Great American Lie was created to suck people into the unconstitutional, imperialistic, militaristic actions our country has been, and is STILL, engaged in.

People buy into it because if they don't, they have to admit to themselves that they and their families are mere cannon fodder for the puppetmasters we've put in power and allow to control the strings. 

Anyone pointing out the contrary truth to the lie creates cognitive dissonance in the true believers who then vehemently lash out to protect themselves from disturbing conflicts within.  It's practically a no win situation for truth.  The more truth presented, the more aggressive and violent the true believers become.  The truth then becomes the 'other' whom must be destroyed at all costs.

The Great American Lie also works to create the fictional 'other' for groups of peoples upon whom the puppetmasters wish to focus their militaristic attention.  All one has to do is to peruse our history to see it at work against the indigenous peoples of this country, to the Germans and the Japanese, and now down to Muslims, regardless if they ascribe to the RW religious beliefs of the Wahabbists and Jihadists or not.

This country will not improve until people learn to stop being manipulated by propaganda like the Great American Lie.

[Locutus]

This country will not improve until people learn to stop being manipulated by propaganda like the Great American Lie.

Then you probably agree with what I stated in my quote in my signature line.


"One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda."   -- Locutus

[Y]

 

[Henry Hawk]

 Like history books just quoting Patrick Henry's "Give me liberty or give me death."


And leaving off the whole quote: "An appeal to arms and the God of hosts is all that is left us. But we shall not fight our battle alone. There is a just God that presides over the destinies of nations. The battle sir, is not to the strong alone. Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death."

[Locutus]

^^ Negative.  My quote is my quote.  I said that without any surrounding context.