Interesting Facebook thread indirectly supporting Y's thread about lies we love

[Locutus]

Tina *:

That ended that!! Well said!!

[Locutus]

Chante' *:

Lol.
That guy got owned....

[Locutus]

Chante' *:

The officer was supposed to shoot them cause thats disrespectful to a dead guy, but man the marines got it tough.
Its a good thing my history teachers all taught me that war is peace xD

[Locutus]

Charles *:

There does not have to be a war for our military to protect our freedoms, and when I say OUR freedoms, I include the majority of the rest of the worlds. Case in point, Iran ha threatend to close the Straight of Hormuz causing fuel prices to go up in recent weeks. The US military protects our right to buy and recieve goods from all around the world as well as ship our good to others. Somehow I dont have a problem with soldiers pissing on someone whe moments before was trying to kill them, hell, if it was me I would have taken a dump on them to boot. I know there are rules agreed apon and that dessicration of the dead is against those rules. Grady, you call us arrogant while you have the freedom to put gas and oil from the middle east into your car that was built in Japan or where ever it was built. The military protects those freedoms for everyone around the world, we put our lives on the line so that the bell of freedom can be heard around the world.

[Locutus]

Lisa *:

With all due respect Al Qaeda is going to continue to operate come hell or high water and it will get worse reason being the Muslims are on a mission of conquering the world and forcing everyone to worship their 'allah' as well as to have everyone live under Sharia Law. It's in their Quran and anyone can read it and see for themselves. All I can say is just as others have said, you don't know what these service men have had to deal with and have seen while they are there fighting in this war and the Taliban/Muslims are beyond cruel and have been for centuries. They were barbaric from the beginning and continue to be. You can read about their ways on the net. They're very cruel to Christians as well as their own people. Wasn't it in the 70's, maybe the late 70's when they took over that cruise ship and pinpointed the only man that was in a wheel chair, an elderly man I think and tossed him overboard into the ocean right in front of his wife and everyone else. Why did they pick the least likely person to give them any trouble to kill? He was no threat to them. Look at what they did to Daniel Pearl, Nick Berg and others with cutting their heads off and posting that on You Tube. They've cut the heads off of little Christian girls all because they attended a Christian school. So again, no one knows just what these guys have had to deal with while being there. I personally don't condone it but I'm not in the mind set that these men or anyone having to deal with the Taliban are. Concerning Sadam, there were weapons that were discovered buried deep beneath the sand. He kept saying he didn't have any but yet was very defiant with letting the proper authorities in to do their job with confirming it. It was after the fact that the weapons were found.

[Locutus]

Dan *:

Gravy is just a douche bag !!

[Locutus]

Cindy *:

But he does have the "freedom" to speak; which if he knows his history enough, that freedom was won by war.

And Grady, ignorance is speaking on a topic of which you have no education. Educate yourself before you make another ass of yourself.

[Locutus]

Matt *:

God Bless America. God Bless our troops! Our servicemen and women deserve nothing but our respect and gratitude for what they do and in the conditions they have to do it in. If it weren't for them, past AND present, morons would be imprisoned, or maybe even beheaded, for speaking nonsense!

[Locutus]

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  END OF FACEBOOK THREAD

Discussion can carry on below.  Thoughts?   

[Locutus]

I'll reiterate Y's question to start discussion.  Why do Americans love our lies?

The dialogue on that Facebook thread is scary from an intellectual standpoint. 

[Palehorse]

I am going to lay low for a bit on this one.

I have personal bias that I have to think through, which will tend to evoke an emotional response. (Because of the years, no decades, of social conditioning and propaganda.)

[Locutus]

Understood. 

I don't think anyone in the country disses the military, nor the service men and women (unless they're a REAL fringe).  I don't and never will.  I'm just pointing out the obvious falsehoods that some of those posters stated on that thread, and how those relate to Y's topic. 

What I saw was a chance for a real discussion devolve into the usual lack of intelligent discourse we see on forums, along with a few lies tossed in for good measure. 

[Palehorse]

On one hand I can see the frustration of our service personnel in dealing with an enemy that is indistinguishable from any other indigent in a foreign country. As an American citizen watching other human beings being beheaded by the opposition, I can understand the frustrations.

However, I can see no reason why anyone, including active military personnel, would attempt to justify the actions of the men in this case. (Short of a JAG lawyer whose job it is to do so). Any honorable member of the military would blanch at the thought of defending what happened. It goes against the UCMJ, and it certainly isn't something a human being would do under normal circumstances or find acceptable. It just is not normal human behavior.

Could it be explained as a symptom of the result of the prolonged exposure to life safety conditions under which our military personnel are forced to operate present day? Perhaps.

The documented atrocities committed by Nam personnel, especially demonstrate this.

[Palehorse]

On one hand I can see the frustration of our service personnel in dealing with an enemy that is indistinguishable from any other indigent in a foreign country. As an American citizen watching other human beings being beheaded by the opposition, I can understand the frustrations.

However, I can see no reason why anyone, including active military personnel, would attempt to justify the actions of the men in this case. (Short of a JAG lawyer whose job it is to do so). Any honorable member of the military would blanch at the thought of defending what happened. It goes against the UCMJ, and it certainly isn't something a human being would do under normal circumstances or find acceptable. It just is not normal human behavior.

Could it be explained as a symptom of the result of the prolonged exposure to life safety conditions under which our military personnel are forced to operate present day? Perhaps.

The documented atrocities committed by Nam personnel, especially demonstrate this.

The leadership of our military, as well as the military personnel themselves, have an incumbent responsibility to take the high road in all situations; whether our presence there is justified or not.

Now, surrounding that justification, I am not in agreement with the reasons provided for going into Iraq; and Afghanistan is our own fault since we went in, left, then returned. And even our presence there is at best questionable.

All the saber rattling being done by the individuals within the topic you posted, is a direct result of the ongoing propaganda initiatives this country has undertaken in order to elicit support and pride, (however false it may be), from its citizens. All in an effort to do nothing more than justify expending trillions to protect our perceived self-interests to a supply of oil; to which this country is addicted.

The morality argument that is often utilized in "justifying" our invasion of Iraq is nothing more than fruit from the poison tree. Our initial justifications for the invasion were completely false, and I speculate in saying that in all likelihood the human rights violations discovered post invasion were probably well known fact within the intelligence community and targeted for use as "saving face" propaganda if the initiative failed in validation of the reasons used in invading in the first place.

We knew SH had abused the citizens of the country he was leading, and did nothing despite that knowledge. In fact, this country and the world would have been far better served had we used that knowledge to expose him within the global diplomatic structure instead of creating fractured fairy tales.

So yes indeed, this thread clearly demonstrates the addiction to lies that this country was not only founded upon, but continues to utilize in order to elicit support.

[The Troll]

  As I surmise, you guys are talking about our troops pissing on the the enemy miserable bodies.  The bastards can kill us, kill innocent people, chop heads off and all many many dastardly things in the name of Allah and we have to treat them with respect.  Bullshit! 

  If we can kill the bastards we can piss on the son of bitches.  I am so sick of the cry babies crying about killing the enemy and these bastards are our enemy.  I wish they would let our boys collect their ears and give the men $100 for each ear.  Good riddance. 

  Black Jack Pershing rid the Phillippines of Islamic extremism by executing Muslim terrorist and burying them with pigs blood and entrails.  I personally would like to see it done now in Afghanistan.    I wonder if they could get the 72 virgins with pigs blood all over them.       Let's kill all of the bastard Muslims and get this damn war over and let our people come home.