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Public Unions & Collective Bargaining Thread....right or wrong?

Started by Henry Hawk, March 10, 2011, 12:03:10 PM

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The Troll

#105
March 12, 2011, 11:22:27 AM
Quote from: me on March 12, 2011, 05:14:11 AM
Unions use bullying tactics to get their way and it is showing up more and more each day.  Look what's happening in Wi.  People are being bused in by the union to cause disruption and chaos and bully to get what they want.  The union is trying to bully Wal-Mart into signing with them.  Unions bully employees into agreeing to fighting to get them in the work place.  Yes, companies sign contracts but how many are signed under duress?

  Bullying Walmart.  The largest corporation with the largest number of employees in America.  Who all so treat their employees like shit.  With a turnover of 53% of their workers through firings or quits each and every year.  A union is going to bully them.  You are out of your freaking mind.  Just totally brain dead. :knife:  Why would I want to argue with total stupidity.   :yes:

The Troll

#106
March 12, 2011, 11:29:50 AM

News flash, Master Lock is returning their combination lock business from China to the United States.

  The main reason for leaving China, is China is raising their labor cost and the cost of shipping is hurting Master Lock bottom line.

  whoooooo, does that mean that if we have a level playing field, America workers can compete with slave wages. :biggrin:

  Just think how many jobs were lost under George W. Bush. :mad:

me

#107
March 12, 2011, 05:08:39 PM
Quote from: The Troll on March 12, 2011, 11:29:50 AM
News flash, Master Lock is returning their combination lock business from China to the United States.

  The main reason for leaving China, is China is raising their labor cost and the cost of shipping is hurting Master Lock bottom line.

  whoooooo, does that mean that if we have a level playing field, America workers can compete with slave wages. :biggrin:

  Just think how many jobs were lost under George W. Bush. :mad:
Ya, that 4% unemployment was bad.....damn, if it hadn't been for him the unemployment might have been 0%.   
Trump 2020

The Troll

#108
March 12, 2011, 06:46:30 PM
Quote from: me on March 12, 2011, 05:08:39 PM
Ya, that 4% unemployment was bad.....damn, if it hadn't been for him the unemployment might have been 0%.

  Your post doesn't make sense and silly at most.   :rolleyes: :razz:

me

#109
March 12, 2011, 08:49:47 PM
Quote from: The Troll on March 12, 2011, 06:46:30 PM
  Your post doesn't make sense and silly at most.   :rolleyes: :razz:
You are the one who said jobs were lost under Bush I was just saying what the unemployment rate was then and what it might have been if he hadn't lost so many jobs.
Trump 2020

dan foster

#110
March 13, 2011, 09:48:40 PM
Unions gave America a middle class.  Nothing else.  So, with the wealthy taking all the money from the middle class over the last 40 yrs, unions were the last thing to stop them.  Reagan started the demise of the unions, current actions will complete the downfall.  Sure, some greedy bastards in union leadership hurt the cause, but without them, now, the middle class can kiss it all goodbye.  We are now exactly where we were before the last great depression; the wealthiest few holding most of American wealth.  The top 5000 families in this country now have more wealth than the bottom 100 MILLION.  Unchecked capitalism is just as bad as any other ism, maybe worse. 
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The Troll

#111
March 14, 2011, 09:10:20 AM
Quote from: dan foster on March 13, 2011, 09:48:40 PM
Unions gave America a middle class.  Nothing else.  So, with the wealthy taking all the money from the middle class over the last 40 yrs, unions were the last thing to stop them.  Reagan started the demise of the unions, current actions will complete the downfall.  Sure, some greedy bastards in union leadership hurt the cause, but without them, now, the middle class can kiss it all goodbye.  We are now exactly where we were before the last great depression; the wealthiest few holding most of American wealth.  The top 5000 families in this country now have more wealth than the bottom 100 MILLION.  Unchecked capitalism is just as bad as any other ism, maybe worse.

  Just this morning I heard an economy expert say that we have had a stagnate middle class wage since 1976.  The problem all of the money that is coming in is going to the top 2%, the Super Rich.  Guess what, there is no trickle down.  Yes Alice, there is no trickle down.   :biggrin:

Henry Hawk

#112
March 14, 2011, 12:05:02 PM
bump

Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 11, 2011, 02:48:11 PM
Here is a great explanation of why I am agains PUBLIC Unions....


http://www.youtube.com/v/QyxuUjgHkgs


"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Sandy Eggo

#113
March 14, 2011, 12:22:54 PM
Henry, why do you keep bumping this? I think we've all seen it. ;D
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Henry Hawk

#114
March 14, 2011, 12:27:29 PM
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on March 14, 2011, 12:22:54 PM
Henry, why do you keep bumping this? I think we've all seen it. ;D

just making sure, because if you watch it, I just don't see how anyone could possible support public unions.....

this is not an attack on private unions...just PUBLIC ones.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

The Troll

#115
March 14, 2011, 03:33:11 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 14, 2011, 12:05:02 PM
bump

  Restore fiscal sanity and restore power and restore power to the people.  That is what it said at the end.  Do you really believe the Republican Party is gong to do this.  After 8 years of George W..  WE all can see where you have received your knowlogy.  Heritage Foundation, Fox News, Glen Beck and Rush Limpbag.

  After reading all of you past posts.  We can all say you are a know it all.  :flap:  :flap:  :biggrin:

Henry Hawk

#116
March 14, 2011, 03:55:26 PM
Quote from: The Troll on March 14, 2011, 03:33:11 PM
 

  Restore fiscal sanity and restore power and restore power to the people.  That is what it said at the end.  Do you really believe the Republican Party is gong to do this.  After 8 years of George W..  WE all can see where you have received your knowlogy.  Heritage Foundation, Fox News, Glen Beck and Rush Limpbag.

  After reading all of you past posts.  We can all say you are a know it all.  :flap: :flap: :biggrin:

we can ALL say or just YOU?  :rolleyes:

Are you the spokesman for the zone liberals?  :spooked: :confused: :razz:

If YOU can Troll, show where that video is wrong, with some supportive facts, not just your good ol boy word for it. ;)
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

The Troll

#117
March 14, 2011, 04:17:50 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 14, 2011, 03:55:26 PM
we can ALL say or just YOU?  :rolleyes:

Are you the spokesman for the zone liberals?  :spooked: :confused: :razz:

If YOU can Troll, show where that video is wrong, with some supportive facts, not just your good ol boy word for it. ;)

  Well, I know I can't find any thing on it from a Republican foundation or a Republican blog.  Are you saying the the Heritage Foundation isn't a Republican frog.  Croaking everything Republican.

  The base of the whole tape was a lie.  It's as just truthful as saying that the Super Rich and the corporations Lobby's payments to our congressman is not buying them.

  You wouldn't believe the truth if you were God Smacked.  I am not wasting my time to prove to you any thing.  You mind is closed.

  I wonder if you dad is as anti-union as you.  When he get his UAW pension check, his eye glass, hearing aid, lawyer and of all things his medicine benefits, Democrat Medicare and Democrat Social Security.  Or does he speak with a forked tongue like you, his baby boy.  Sure don't know where you get it.  Maybe you were dropped as a baby.   :biggrin:

Henry Hawk

#118
March 14, 2011, 04:46:21 PM
My Dad is very grateful for all that he has.  I too, am grateful, like you said, I was a receipeint of his labor, and I am happy for my father, that he is able to enjoy his retirement years.  It still does not dispute what happened to Anderson and other like cities.  I have shared with you my first hand witness of some extremely wrong doings by the Union and it's officials.  There were way too many who took advantage of a good thing for some very decent people. 

Troll, I am not against ALL  (PRIVATE) unions.  Like I have shared with you about the IBEW.  They are a great union, who supplies us with some very well trained electricians.  There are very well paid, and they deliver an excellent product.  But, the UAW, did NOT supply an excellent product for the amount of money that they were given, IN MY OPINION.  IF, they had a hall of workers for the owner to work from, I bet we would have seen a different picture.  If a worker was not willing to do an assigned task that was agreed upon by the UAW and Owner, then he could be replaced by another UAW worker.  I say that we STILL would have an auto industry in Anderson had we had that option.  But, we didn't and we got a lot of crappy work, by some crappy workers, who drew an excellent check.  Again, that is my opinion. 

This is my last attempt to explain, but as far as a Public Union, there was no lies or distortion in that video.  NOT ONE. if there is please point it out to me.

"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Nighthawk

#119
March 14, 2011, 07:55:03 PM
Quote from: The Troll on March 14, 2011, 04:17:50 PM

  You wouldn't believe the truth if you were God Smacked.  I am not wasting my time to prove to you any thing.  You mind is closed.


Translation:

He doesn't have any facts to present so he'll just insult you.

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