Random Comments (RH)

[Henry Hawk]

Yes - it does take all kinds. We do need the window glaziers, the porta-potty cleaners, etc. 

But think about this - you and I could do those jobs with minimal or no training. But take somebody like 'me' and put her into my job (or yours) and see how long she lasts without any education.

Oh please don't get me wrong, I agree.  I like to think about NASA, there are people who drew the concept of going to the moon, people who built everything it took,  people who WENT there, people who c!wanted up after all of them.
College played a huge role for all but the last group.  The Troll would NOT had the career he had, had it not been for college educated kids.

[The Troll]

If only it were that simple.  Here are a couple of examples of systems I built early in my career at the old Navistar engine plant in Indianapolis...examples of how problem solving learned through education facilitate the production process:

Your example provides a best case scenario for production but assumes that nothing every goes wrong on a line.  It also makes the assumption that the 7 cutting tools on the machine all have the same number of cutting cycles which, I can assure you, is virtually never the case.  In reality, a modern production line in a factory is equipped with numerous PLC's that count the number of cycles each machine performs, information that is fed into a computer system and compared against the expected life of each tool so that the tool can be replaced during the shift change prior to the shift during which the tool would otherwise fail.  Scrapping of defective parts ruined by a failing cutting tool is minimized while tool life and productivity are maximized.  I built the system that monitored the cutting cycles and issued the work orders to retool at the appropriate time.

Now we have 4800 parts...what do we do with them?  While I was at Navistar, they made turbo diesel engines for their own buses as well as for Ford trucks.  The engines sent to Ford all had different configurations based on what a customer buying a truck ordered.  Ford supplied us with a list of the trucks being built and, ideally, we would have a semi full of engines waiting at their factory in Kentucky that was loaded in reverse sequence on the trucks coming down the line so that the first engine coming out of the trailer matched the next truck coming down the line.  Sounds pretty straightforward; right?  Try doing that in a factory using paper build tickets and see how it works out.  What you'll end up with...and I've actually seen this...is a back dock full of mis-configured engines with salaried employees wrenching on them unsuccessfully trying to put together a full semi trailer load before they shut down Ford's assembly line.  I built the system that, based on bar codes, told the line which parts to put on which engines so they came off of our line correctly configured in the sequence they needed to be loaded onto the trucks.

So yes, the people on the line are absolutely necessary but without someone looking at the bigger picture and directing their activities, they would not have jobs.

  I said that being a time study man was easy, for Ford time study men or this one guy it was.

I was running a lathe that had 7 cutting tools on it.  This one time study man came up and said he wanted to set the production rate for it.  We got the tools all on size and we ran it just the way I said.  Start machine = 20 parts in 10 minutes times 6 times = 120 parts per hour times 8 hours =  960 parts per 8 hour shift.

  I said to the time study man what about changing tools and adjusting the tool for wear and what about the 20 minutes for lunch and two piss breaks.     He said that was not  part of his job to think about that and he handed the foreman the numbers and said, this is the new production rate for this machine and he walked off.    How this is how the one Ford Time Study Man set production rates. 

[Bo D]

Oh please don't get me wrong, I agree.  I like to think about NASA, there are people who drew the concept of going to the moon, people who built everything it took,  people who WENT there, people who c!wanted up after all of them.
College played a huge role for all but the last group.  The Troll would NOT had the career he had, had it not been for college educated kids.

Knowledge is power!


Unfortunately, it isn't a prerequisite.

[The Troll]

Oh please don't get me wrong, I agree.  I like to think about NASA, there are people who drew the concept of going to the moon, people who built everything it took,  people who WENT there, people who c!wanted up after all of them.
College played a huge role for all but the last group.  The Troll would NOT had the career he had, had it not been for college educated kids.

  And the college kids wouldn't have a job if it wasn't for the skilled tradesmen who had to teach them how to do their jobs and for the skilled tradesmen building the product, Bunky Boy.   

[Locutus]

 

Knowledge is power!


Unfortunately, it isn't a prerequisite.

Ain't that the truth! 

[The Troll]

  And the college kids wouldn't have a job if it wasn't for the skilled tradesmen who had to teach them how to do their jobs and for the skilled tradesmen building the product, Bunky Boy. 

  You do know that no man is an island    We all have to work together and there is a  place for all  people.     From the clean up people to Steve Forbes, Mr. Bird Boy.    

[Henry Hawk]

  You do know that no man is an island    We all have to work together and there is a  place for all  people.     From the clean up people to Steve Forbes, Mr. Bird Boy.    

ding! Ding! Ding! Ding!  Wow! You finially get it!😡😤

[Bo D]

ding! Ding! Ding! Ding!  Wow! You finially get it!😡😤

Hang on there, Quasimodo! Don't ring those bells prematurely!

(Sorry, Victor. I just had to throw in a reference to a classic. Unfortunately, without a good education, most people don't even know you.)

[Locutus]

[Bo D]

Poor guy! Not only was he a hunchback, but he was deaf from ringing the bells.

[Henry Hawk]

😁😁😁😁😁

[me]

  You do know that no man is an island    We all have to work together and there is a  place for all  people.     From the clean up people to Steve Forbes, Mr. Bird Boy.    

Yea Troll........

[The Troll]

Yea Troll........

  Thank you, I am sure glad not everybody here on the Zone doesn't have brain damage from to much education.             

[me]

  Thank you, I am sure glad not everybody here on the Zone doesn't have brain damage from to much education.             

I wouldn't call it brain damaged it's just that they seem to get a thrill out of putting down those of us who chose a different path.  They may not intend what they post to come out that way but it certainly does.   

[Purplelady1040]

I wouldn't call it brain damaged it's just that they seem to get a thrill out of putting down those of us who chose a different path.  They may not intend what they post to come out that way but it certainly does.

I have never put anyone down because they chose to not go to college. Troll seems to think that anyone could do the job that I did but the fact remains that it was a requirement that one have a degree. I didn't make the rules to that and they were set there long before I started working for them. My husband doesn't have a college degree and many of my friends don't, I like them for who they are not whether they have a degree or not. Troll has in his mind that I must have come from money to have gone to college and that is so far from the truth. My father is a retired teacher who didn't get paid what teachers get paid these days and only got paid for teaching from August until May. He supplemented his income by having a farm on which we had a garden, had a few beef cattle and yes, raised tobacco. He didn't hire outside help to work on a small farm, he had my mom and us kids to do that. I worked my butt off in college and every work study check I got went right back to the college to pay for my education. I have nothing against trade or blue collared workers. One of my best friends is a mechanic and he has so many certificates that they are like college degrees to me only different. Troll.has in his mind that if one has a degree that is means you are an elitist and that is.so not true.