Class Action Lawsuit Accuses Playboy of Discriminating against Men

[Sandy Eggo]

You know how some night clubs and big party events charge guys more than women to get in?
Well, David Long Jr. of California is calling bullshit.

Long is pissed off that the fine folks over at Playboy had the gall to charge him hundreds more than women guests for a ticket to a bash at Hef's mansion, so he's filed a class action lawsuit in LA Superior Court against Playboy Enterprises International Inc. for unlawful discrimination.

According to the lawsuit, Long attended the third annual "White Party at the Playboy Mansion" in May 2009. The promoters used what Long is calling "gender-based pricing."

Long claims that men had to fork over at least $625 for a ticket, whereas "gorgeous ladies" were "offered a free or reduced price admission," and "less attractive women" only had to pay as much as $350 for a ticket.

Long, suing on behalf of all the men who attended the "White Party" or any other similar party at the Playboy Mansion, is claiming civil rights violations, saying that Playboy denied him "equal treatment under the law" by jacking up the prices for the same services just because he's a man.

Is this descrimination? Do they have a point? or does the independent businesses have the right to set prices however they choose? Apparently one court thought some men in a similar situation had a point.

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/ca-court-of-appeal/1081394.html

So, is it discrimination or sour grapes supported by law. Do they have any real rights to have access to these businesses?

[The Troll]

  Awwww Sandy, come on, now.  Now that you women have got civil rights and change the playing floor of life here in America  you want to play the game men use to play.  Yes with the rule changes you women have, you girls have more rights than men.  Especially sexual harassment.  You dear sweet women "never Lie" about sex.     

  Fair and equal, right?  We know why Playboy and the bars give reduced prices to women.  Because you women don't and won't pay full price to go to a bar and it's the same thing with the Playboy Club.  I have heard you women talking to each other on how many free drinks  the dorks at the bar bought you women last night at the bar.  Right?  Love those dorks with money. Those pretty boys don't work or have a job.  You know I'm right, because no matter how bad you women may look, we all know that ugly women get better looking at closing time.

  Charge one price for tickets and for the beauties, the women with the big false racks  Brazilian butt lifts  and inflated lips, pay them a little money and let them be part of Hugh Hefner's meat, boobs and bootie show.

  No sour grapes, we got our civil rights too.  The ugly women need to be suing too, even tho, they do get better looking at closing time.  I know, it happened to me too.      Love those ugly women, they kept the night from being complete bust, they still like to have a coffee and something to eat and a little loving when the show is over.  The party's over Let's call it a day.

[Palehorse]

Personally I believe it is the right of the business owner to enact whatever admission charge structure they so choose. The fact is, if the jackasses suing would sober up long enough to think about it, if the clubs went to across the board pricing, those events would resemble nothing but a gay bar; with women shunning the high price venues.

Clubs enact the reduced/no admission pricing toward women in order to attract a higher number of them; knowing full well that a club full of women, average or good looking, or even ugly, is, bottom line, VERY good for business.

It is a basic business decision that has been used by night clubs, taverns, and other entertainment venues for decades, with great success in the lions share of the cases. Revenues on those nights where women are subject to reduced/no admission price, or reduced beverage pricing, are typically the highest generating nights of any given period; often determining the ongoing validity of keeping the business open.

My guess, this is sour grapes being brought forth by some micro-dicked, pre-mature ejaculator who couldn't get a date despite the fact the place was packed with women at a 4 to 1 ratio! 

[Sandy Eggo]

Sorry Troll, your're wrong. If anything the difference in prices is a marketing ploy which exploits women. If the bars weren't full of women, the men wouldn't be whining to get in.

When you say, "now that you women have civil rights..." Are you implying that civil rights shouldn't apply to women? And further, why shouldn't women expect equality?

PH, I agree with you.

[Anne]

IMO as long as  it is a private organization and receives no taxpayer money they can charge whoever whatever they choose.

Sandy, I don't think women even now have complete equality in the workplace, esp. if you believe the articles about equal pay and promotions.

For a slightly different view, many years ago, my mother worked for GM (same plant as Troll's aunt) and at that time men were paid more than women, that changed in the 50's and more than a few of the women were upset about it because of it they could be assigned the dirtier, heavier jobs filled by men. The need Rosie the Riviter was gone and some women didn't want those jobs.

[The Troll]

  Tho I didn't state it.  Hey, let the women in free.  Fill the damn place with women.   If I was back to running my traps the more the merrier.  But what I said is true, the women know they sit on the greatest money maker and attention getter in the world for men, a roach motel for men and also they are to cheap too pay full price to get in.  Cheap, cheap, cheap with "their" money but oh how they can spend your hard earned money.  "Oh, I want one of those fancy drinks that cost $10, I don't know what's name, I just know it is expensive."  "A beer? Barf!"   

  In my running days the women paid for nothing.  Just the promise of a chance of what they were sitting on and that didn't happen to often, just offen enough to make you search more.     Not like to day, where the women call the men, and give the men all of the milk they want and the men don't have to buy the cow.     A lot of the 21ST Century women love the pretty boys who won't work and just spread their seeds.  After the girls have couple of unwed babies by these punks they hope and pray for a nerd, a not too good looking guy who work their ass off for their families.  Then they find out even these men don't line up for a ready made family and it too late to have a happy life.  Just not to smart.
 
  But at the Playboy Meat Party and that is what it is, if they cut the price to women to nothing, the only women that would get in would be the faux and beautiful.  Even if the women were put at the door deciding who get in it would be the same way.  No room at the manger for the ordinary women.

  Oh I can hear the hisses at the Troll for being crude, rude and if the men have large enough balls, they will admit, the Troll is telling the truth.     

[awol]

you seem to be arguing that at worst this is some sort of "reverse discrimination" that we, as men, should just suck up... being in power and all.

there really is no "reverse discrimination", and if you are in favor of "whatever pricing scheme" a business so chooses.. imagine if the sign outside a clup read:

whites: free...
hispanics: 250
blacks: 500

still a "discount"?

[Palehorse]

you seem to be arguing that at worst this is some sort of "reverse discrimination" that we, as men, should just suck up... being in power and all.

there really is no "reverse discrimination", and if you are in favor of "whatever pricing scheme" a business so chooses.. imagine if the sign outside a clup read:

whites: free...
hispanics: 250
blacks: 500

still a "discount"?

Humm. . .Good point. However that would be a direct violation of the civil rights act would it not?

[The Troll]

you seem to be arguing that at worst this is some sort of "reverse discrimination" that we, as men, should just suck up... being in power and all.

there really is no "reverse discrimination", and if you are in favor of "whatever pricing scheme" a business so chooses.. imagine if the sign outside a club read:

whites: free...
hispanics: 250
blacks: 500

still a "discount"?

  According to the law it is discrimination and therefore illegal.  If I was a bar owner I would let the women come in free.  It's called bait.  It draws in the fish (men) the people who has the money and willing to spend it.  More the better.   Or if you kept the women out it would cut out a lot of one night stand pregnancies.

  What really bothers me is, if you own a bar or anything a bunch of do goodies can demand that you can't have any smoking in it.  The way I feel is if you don't smoke and don't like it, STAY OUT.  Nobody dragging your ass in there, now that's discrimination. 

[Sandy Eggo]

If the business owner denied entrance to one gender or the other, then I could understand a complaint about discrimination, but that's not the case. Also, if there is a case to be made based on prices, then I think we'd need to see the complete or usual pricing policies. For example, is this the pricing for a special event? And the prices are comparable at other times? Or even events where the pricing plan is in the reverse? Does the fact the prices are advertised and they make a choice to go or not play a factor?

[The Troll]

  Welcome to The Troll's Golden Towers Condos.  I am glad all of you can to sign up and buy one of my condos.  As you know they are all alike, all have balconies, two bed rooms.

  Now over there Mr. Afro the condo will cost  you $500,000 and you over there Miss Golden Hair Barbie  your condo will cost you only $150,000.  All it takes is if you want to play and pay or not.

  Would I be legal.  Is that what your saying. 

[Sandy Eggo]

  Welcome to The Troll's Golden Towers Condos.  I am glad all of you can to sign up and buy one of my condos.  As you know they are all alike, all have balconies, two bed rooms.

  Now over there Mr. Afro the condo will cost  you $500,000 and you over there Miss Golden Hair Barbie  your condo will cost you only $150,000.  All it takes is if you want to play and pay or not.

  Would I be legal.  Is that what your saying. 

Nope, there was more to what I said and  this is a different scenario which happens all the time. It's not right, but prove it. I think housing is more necessary to life than bar-hopping.

Now read the rest, if the prices were analyzed for each night of the week and they favored on gender or the other for promotions and events or marketing, then would it be discrimination. For example, Sunday during football, guys can drink all they want for a cover of 10 bucks. Wednesday night is ladies night and they get a reduced cover. How is that unfair? I'm saying we need the whole picture to make a determination.

[The Troll]

Nope, there was more to what I said and  this is a different scenario which happens all the time. It's not right, but prove it. I think housing is more necessary to life than bar-hopping.

Now read the rest, if the prices were analyzed for each night of the week and they favored on gender or the other for promotions and events or marketing, then would it be discrimination. For example, Sunday during football, guys can drink all they want for a cover of 10 bucks. Wednesday night is ladies night and they get a reduced cover. How is that unfair? I'm saying we need the whole picture to make a determination.

  All I can say it's more fun to go the the bar on women's night that go there when you can drink all of the beer you want for $10.

  But one thing I found out on women night.  Knowing how to dance and being able to make the girls look like they knew how to dance and show them off payed off better than knowing how to stand, holding a beer with your tongue out.  

[Y]

I thought I'd drop by this thread because there appears to be a lot of confusion concerning 'public' and 'private' in regards to businesses.

A business may be 'privately' owned, but once it opens it doors to the 'public' that business is subject to all governmental regulations and rules etc. and may not do just any ole' thing that pops in the owners head.

[The Troll]

I thought I'd drop by this thread because there appears to be a lot of confusion concerning 'public' and 'private' in regards to businesses.

A business may be 'privately' owned, but once it opens it doors to the 'public' that business is subject to all governmental regulations and rules etc. and may not do just any ole' thing that pops in the owners head.

  "Y" we have a person on the Zone who thinks women are equal with men in football, wrestling any sport or just plain anything.  I just don't believe they were born with the physical strength to pull of a lot of crap she putting out.  What you think?