Class Action Lawsuit Accuses Playboy of Discriminating against Men

[Sandy Eggo]

  "Y" we have a person on the Zone who thinks women are equal with men in football, wrestling any sport or just plain anything.  I just don't believe they were born with the physical strength to pull of a lot of crap she putting out.  What you think?

So, if Y were to offer an opinion similar to mine, then you believe it? Does it take a man to make you realize how skewed your thinking is or were you attempting to look for reinforcements because your ego was getting a little bruised?

As I said, women have successfully transitioned into historically male dominated areas.

1) Careers

http://www.lvrj.com/living/womens-workfemales-are-thriving-in-traditionally-male-jobs-62091222.html

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=131474&page=1

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/censusandstatistics/a/menwomenjobs.htm

2) Politics

http://www.iwdc.org/resources/timeline.htm

http://uspolitics.about.com/od/usgovernment/a/women_milestone.htm

3) Sports

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-110641/More-male-sports-attracting-women.html

http://www.wfafootball.com/

http://www.fifa.com/aboutfifa/developing/women/index.html

http://www.womensprosoccer.com/

http://www.womenboxing.com/

http://www.womenboxing.com/historic.htm

http://www.stockcarracing.com/featurestories/scrp_0604_nascar_female_drivers/index.html


People become involved in things, because that's what they're interested in. If they enjoy it, then they work harder, learn more about it and train for it. No one is born with the physical strength or skill. That's why they train.

[The Troll]

  Look MS. Little Round Pancake.   I'll put up my men's best sports teams against any of  your best Sissy teams no matter how many big dykes there was on it.  The men would clean your clocks.  Your panties would get bunched up and it would be all over and is would end up as one big Crying     and bitching session.      MOTHER!  Toll picking on me.  Troll

[Sandy Eggo]

I'm sure men everywhere are proud of the way you represent "the real man" </sarcasm>

As I said before, your chest thumping and posturing  means nothing in relation to reality. What's your real point, Troll? Why does equality offend you so much or is it that it scares you? Why do you care?

Does it make you feel all warm and manly to think you make someone cry? Is that what a "real man is" someone that bullies his way into shutting people down thinking their silence is respect? I don't take any of this seriously enough to cry. I hate to burst your bubble...well..no that's a lie.

Seriously, I find your comments rather stupid, but I don't care, showcase your stupidity. It's your floor.

[me]

Women should have women's teams and men should have men's teams, they should not commingle the teams anyway.   

[Sandy Eggo]

Women should have women's teams and men should have men's teams, they should not commingle the teams anyway.   

Why?

I disagree. In my area parks and rec teams are mixed. Those are adult teams as well as children's/teen's. There are all girl/boy teams too, but they play against each other. That's the way it should be.

[The Troll]

I'm sure men everywhere are proud of the way you represent "the real man" </sarcasm>

As I said before, your chest thumping and posturing  means nothing in relation to reality. What's your real point, Troll? Why does equality offend you so much or is it that it scares you? Why do you care?

Does it make you feel all warm and manly to think you make someone cry? Is that what a "real man is" someone that bullies his way into shutting people down thinking their silence is respect? I don't take any of this seriously enough to cry. I hate to burst your bubble...well..no that's a lie.

Seriously, I find your comments rather stupid, but I don't care, showcase your stupidity. It's your floor.

  Well, Baby Cakes, I am a real man who has told the truth.  Only you can deny.  But, if you married, I sympathize with him, he's hen pecked with chapped lips from kissing your butt.  If you're divorced I know why and your ex is very happy now.  If you dating the same guy you haven't seen your true side.  If your dating the same guy and you talk to him like you talk to me.  He has chapped lips from kissing you butt and he's one stupid son of a bitch.      That's all for now, I'm reloading. 

[me]

Why?

I disagree. In my area parks and rec teams are mixed. Those are adult teams as well as children's/teen's. There are all girl/boy teams too, but they play against each other. That's the way it should be.

Tennis, volleyball, non contact sports sure, maybe even softball or baseball, but football, basketball, wrestling and those types of sports, no especially high school, college, and  pro sports. I'm sorry but I'm from the old school of boys have their thing and girls have theirs and the two shouldn't be mixed.  Has nothing to do with not being equal it has to do with girls and boys are different and need to be separate in some things.  The parks and rec teams are a whole different thing. 

[Sandy Eggo]

Tennis, volleyball, non contact sports sure, maybe even softball or baseball, but football, basketball, wrestling and those types of sports, no especially high school, college, and  pro sports. I'm sorry but I'm from the old school of boys have their thing and girls have theirs and the two shouldn't be mixed.  Has nothing to do with not being equal it has to do with girls and boys are different and need to be separate in some things.  The parks and rec teams are a whole different thing.

I'm sorry, but that doesn't make sense. What would be the difference?
I'm not saying there can't or shouldn't be gender specific teams, if that's what people want, but there's no good reason why it has to be that way for those who don't. I don't want to play football and maybe you don't either, but there are some girls/women out there who do or can and do. Look at mixed boxing.
If they can do it in parks and rec then why shouln't they do it in schools and professional teams?

My daughter played  football and soccer on mixed teams and last year her all girl soccer team played mixed and boy teams in the league. She has also been on gymnastics and dance teams with boys.

I think it's a shame to limit a childs vision and interests by old school stereotypes that serve no real purpose.

BTW, Basketball is considered a "non-contact" sport.

[me]

I'm sorry, but that doesn't make sense. What would be the difference?
I'm not sayimg there can't or shouldn't be gender specific teams, if that's what people want, but there's no good reason why it has to be that way for those who don't. I don't want to play football and maybe you don't either, but there are some girls/women out there who do or can and do. Look at mixed boxing.
If they can do it in parks and rec then why shouldn't they do it in schools and professional teams?

My daughter played  football and soccer on mixed teams and last year her all girl soccer team played mixed and boy teams in the league. She has also been on gymnastics and dance teams with boys.

I think it's a shame to limit a childs vision and interests by old school stereotypes that serve no real purpose.

Boys need to be boys without having to be concerned about hurting or offending a girl in sports.  Dance teams, gymnastics, and non contact sports are different.  Just recently there was a case where a high school boy gave up a possible championship because he didn't want to wrestle a girl in the national contest because he didn't feel it was appropriate.  Again, has nothing to do with equality has to do with respect for women.  Not only that but if the guy should accidentally touch the girl in an inappropriate place while playing is she or her parents gonna run to the principle or other authority and complain about it?  Why can't some people just realize all things can not and should not be equal? 

[Sandy Eggo]

Boys need to be boys without having to be concerned about hurting or offending a girl in sports.  Dance teams, gymnastics, and non contact sports are different.  Just recently there was a case where a high school boy gave up a possible championship because he didn't want to wrestle a girl in the national contest because he didn't feel it was appropriate.  Again, has nothing to do with equality has to do with respect for women.  Not only that but if the guy should accidentally touch the girl in an inappropriate place while playing is she or her parents gonna run to the principle or other authority and complain about it?  Why can't some people just realize all things can not and should not be equal?

That's what got this whole "discussion" started. That young man copped-out. It's much easier to turn down a championship for supposedly honorable reasons than to face his friends after getting beaten by a girl. They all touch each other in inappropriate spots in wrestling. She made it that far so I'm sure she knew what to expect if he had actually had the courage to wrestle her.

This is one of those things that I won't be able to change your mind. You're too set in your ways so I'm not going to try. Some people are just incapable of realizing there isn't a real good reason why everything isn't equal. I will say, don't be surprised by the number of traditionally male or female sports that become coed in the future. I just hope the kids like the one that tossed the championship are ready for it.

[The Troll]

Boys need to be boys without having to be concerned about hurting or offending a girl in sports.  Dance teams, gymnastics, and non contact sports are different.  Just recently there was a case where a high school boy gave up a possible championship because he didn't want to wrestle a girl in the national contest because he didn't feel it was appropriate.  Again, has nothing to do with equality has to do with respect for women.  Not only that but if the guy should accidentally touch the girl in an inappropriate place while playing is she or her parents gonna run to the principle or other authority and complain about it?  Why can't some people just realize all things can not and should not be equal?

  Well, thank you "ME" we are old school, the best times were the 50's 60's.   21ST and the 22nd Centuries are not going to be good times for both sexes.  They are going to be a each other throats for power and control.  It isn't going to be good for marriage or the kids.  They are maning up the girls and girling down the boys.  Isn't good for either and sure isn't a pretty picture of future life.  Manish girls and girlie boys.  Hell we got that now.  Just look at the kids.

[Sandy Eggo]

Thankfully, the 50 and 60's are gone and those backwards-assed ideas are dying out.

[The Troll]

Thankfully, the 50 and 60's are gone and those backwards-assed ideas are dying out.

  Ms. Pancake.

[The Troll]

  Ms. Pancake.

  Other than a little man hating  MEN--> <--Eggo  How's this equal rights crap working out for you?  Not as well as if you had a brain in your head.

[me]

That's what got this whole "discussion" started. That young man copped-out. It's much easier to turn down a championship for supposedly honorable reasons than to face his friends after getting beaten by a girl. They all touch each other in inappropriate spots in wrestling. She made it that far so I'm sure she knew what to expect if he had actually had the courage to wrestle her.

This is one of those things that I won't be able to change your mind. You're too set in your ways so I'm not going to try. Some people are just incapable of realizing there isn't a real good reason why everything isn't equal. I will say, don't be surprised by the number of traditionally male or female sports that become coed in the future. I just hope the kids like the one that tossed the championship are ready for it.

Males and females were different for a reason and there are certain things that just shouldn't be equal.  Since when is what that boy did a sign of being weak or chicken?  Maybe those she wrestled before she got there held back so they wouldn't hurt her you just don't know.  Maybe she took advantage of the situation to get as high as she did and you know darn well it happens.  You know back when all this silliness started I remember women wanting to ban men only clubs but screaming like banshee's when men wanted to ban their little sewing circles and women only things they did.  Ya can't have it both ways and a lot of women forge that.  They want that type of equality but only on their terms. 
Should men help the women with the housework, yes, should they help raise the kids, yes, equal pay for equal work, yes, but some things should remain separate and sports is one of them.