'Hallowed' ground

[Exterminator]

Actually, there are absolutely valid arguments against what you claim; this article sums it up quite well (not that you'll probably read it or understand most of it if you do).  One obvious question the article asks is if the U.S. was, in fact, founded on Judeo-Christian philosophy, why didn't it happen hundreds of years earlier when the chrurch's influence was much stronger than it was in 1776?  The basis for our system of government and rule of law existed long before your religion did...your religion adopted and incorporated those principles, not the other way around.

[Exterminator]

Nice try at once again trying to push your religion off onto others with the claim that our country was founded on it, though.  You people are always trying...

[The Troll]

It WAS....EX, there is not even a real arguement against it....despite your self-profound IQ, and I honestly beleive that your are a very intelligent person, and you have provided some very provocative arguement on other subjects, this is NOT one that you can remotely prove enough concrete evidence to make anyone logical thinking to be persuaded.  There is enough to prove that they WAS, very rooted with Judeo Christian beliefs.

  Why did the Puritan's come to America?  It was to get away from religious  persecutions and what did they do, burn mainly women at the stake and drown them in dunking stools.  They were so bad, or you would think so good, they drove the Catholics to Massachusetts to get away from them.  Wow, their good people.

  But these people did not form this country or write the Constitution.  A group of whisky drinking rich boys who was tired of the King of England and the religious nuts, yes they had nuts back then.

In fact they wrote it to protect us from you people, the religious nuts.

[Henry Hawk]

Troll, do me a favor and read the preamble to ALL of our State Constitutions, on how the begin, and get back with me....

THAT says it ALL.

[The Troll]

Troll, do me a favor and read the preamble to ALL of our State Constitutions, on how the begin, and get back with me....

THAT says it ALL.

  Pardon me Wizz Kid.  After reading your above Post, I only thought Indiana had one constitiion and the Federal Government had only one constitition.

  How many do we have and how many have you read.  When you come up with a good answer and you have read of these many constitions, you get back to me.     

[Henry Hawk]

  Pardon me Wizz Kid.  After reading your above Post, I only thought Indiana had one constitiion and the Federal Government had only one constitition.

  How many do we have and how many have you read.  When you come up with a good answer and you have read of these many constitions, you get back to me.     

No, dufass....read each States Constitution's preamble and SEE exactly where THEY (our forefathers) put their trust into?....They was with out ANY doubt Judea Christian folks, who put their learned upbringings, and faith in God, into cornerstones of this nation....

do you want me to post them for you? I will make it easy for you...this has been verified...

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/g/god-constitutions.htm

guys, move on to another debate, because this one is easily OWNED by the hawk....

[The Troll]

  I read your religious bog, all that mean nothing.  If this country was to be run Godly what in hell happened to it.

  Especially under George W..  With God telling him to run for president and God telling to attack Iraq.  And of all things, the separation between the church and the government in the Constitution.  Who would guess that. 

  The only place you win is in your head.  Well, Glen Beck will save you and your family.  Good Luck.

[Henry Hawk]

it was NO blog troll, it was FACT, google it, ALL of our States, put GOD, in the preamble....because they believed God was an important of governing, and keeping citizens to a moral standard....

GEESH, what is so hard for you to understand this?.....seriously, FACTs can be hard for a fella like you to accept, but that my friend IS a solid FACT....

gotta go watch a movie with the kids....have a great evening Troll.....and don't forget to say your bedtime prayers....

[The Troll]

No, dufass....read each States Constitution's preamble and SEE exactly where THEY (our forefathers) put their trust into?....They was with out ANY doubt Judea Christian folks, who put their learned upbringings, and faith in God, into cornerstones of this nation....

do you want me to post them for you? I will make it easy for you...this has been verified...

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/g/god-constitutions.htm

guys, move on to another debate, because this one is easily OWNED by the hawk....

Dummes Huhn,

  1797 Treaty of Tripoli.

  The government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.   President John Adams.

 

   

[The Troll]

  Dummes Huhn,

  1797 Treaty of Tripoli.

  The government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.   President John Adams.

 

Letter to F.a. Vander Kemp 7/30/1816

  Ridiclule is the only weapon which can be wsed against unintelligible proposition.  Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them.  And no man ever had the distinct idea of the Trinty.  It is mere Abracadbra of the morintebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus.  Thomas Jefferson 7/30/1816

The Troll

[Henry Hawk]

Read the preambles to the State Constitutions...that's is ALL you need.

Maybe we don't advertise our selves as a "Christian" Nation...but facts are, we very much were.

read the preambles...

The Preambles of all 50 States Of The United States:

Alabama   1901, Preamble. We the people of the State of Alabama, invoking the   favor and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish the   following Constitution.

Alaska a 1956, Preamble. We, the people of   Alaska, grateful to God and to those who founded our nation and   pioneered this great land.

Arizona 1911, Preamble. We, the people   of the State of Arizona, grateful to Almighty God for our liberties, do   ordain this Constitution...

Arkansas 1874, Preamble . We, the   people of the State of Arkansas, grateful to Almighty God for the   privilege of choosing our own form of government...

California   1879, Preamble . We, the People of the State of California, grateful to   Almighty God for our freedom. Colorado 1876, Preamble. We, the people of   Colorado, with profound reverence for the Supreme Ruler of Universe.

Connecticut   1818, Preamble. The People of Connecticut, acknowledging with gratitude   the good Providence of God in permitting them to enjoy.

Delaware   1897, Preamble. Through Divine Goodness all men have, by nature, the   rights of worshippin g and serving their Creator according to the   dictates of their consciences.

Florida 1885, Preamble. We, the   people of the State of Florida, grateful to Almighty God for our   constitutional liberty, establish this Constitution...
Georgia   1777, Preamble . We, the people of Georgia, relying upon protection and   guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish this Constitution...

Hawaii 1959, Preamble. We, the people of Hawaii, Grateful for Divine Guidance . Establish this Constitution.

Idaho 1889, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Idaho, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings.

Illinois   18 70, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Illinois, grateful to   Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberty which He   hath so long permitted us to enjoy and looking to Him for a blessing on   our endeavors.

Indiana 1851, Preamble. We, the People of the   State of Indiana, grateful to Almighty God for the free exercise of the   right to choose our form of government.

Iowa 1857, Preamble We,   the People of the State of Iowa, grateful to the Supreme Being for the   blessings hitherto enjoyed, and feeling our dependence on Him for a   continuation of these blessings establish this Constitution.

Kansas   1859, Preamble. We, the people of Kansas, grateful to Almighty God for   our civil and religious privileges establish this Constitution.

Kentucky 1891, Preamble. We, the people of the Commonwealth are grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties...

Louisiana   1921, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Louisiana, grateful to   Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties we enjoy.

Maine   1820, Preamble. We the People of Maine acknowledging with grateful   hearts the goodness of the Sovereign Ruler of the Universe in affording   us an opportunity ... And imploring His aid and direction.

Maryland   1776, Preamble We, the people of the state of Maryland, grateful to   Almighty God for our civil and religious liberty...

Massachusetts   1780, Preamble. We...the people of Massachusetts, acknowledging with   grateful hearts, the goodness of the Great Legislator of the Universe ..   In the course of His Providence, an opportunity and devoutly imploring   His direction ..

Michigan 1908, Preamble le. We, the people of   the State of Michigan, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of   freedom establish this Constitution.

Minnesota, 1857, Preamble.   We, the people of the State of Minnesota, grateful to God for our civil   and religious liberty, and desiring to perpetuate its blessings:

Mississippi   1890, Preamble. We, the people of Mississippi in convention assembled,   grateful to Almighty God, and invoking His blessing on our work.   

Missouri 1845, Preamble. We, the people of Missouri, with profound   reverence for the Supreme Ruler of the Universe, and grateful for His   goodness . Establish this Constitution .
Montana 1889, Preamble.   

We, the people of Montana, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of   liberty establish this Constitution ..

Nebraska 1875, Preamble. We, the people, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom . Establish this Constitution.

Nevada   1864, Preamble. We the people of the State of Nevada, grateful to  Almighty God for our freedom establish this Constitution .

New   Hampshire 1792, Part I. Art. I. Sec. V. Every i ndividual has a natural   and unalienable right to worship God according to the dictates of his   own conscience.

New Jersey 1844, Preamble. We, the people of the   State of New Jersey, grateful to Almighty God for civil and religious   liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him   for a blessing on our endeav ors.

New Mexico 1911, Preamble. We, the People of New Mexico, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of liberty

New   York 1846, Preamble. We, the people of the State of New York, grateful   to Almighty God for our freedom, in order to secure its blessings.
North   Carolina 1868, Preamble. We the people of the State of North Carolina,   grateful to Almighty God, the Sovereign Ruler of Nations, for our civil,   political, and religious liberties, and acknowledging our dependence   upon Him for the continuance of those
North Dakota 1889,   Preamble. We , the people of North Dakota, grateful to Almighty God for   the blessings of civil and religious liberty, do ordain...

Ohio   1852, Preamble. We the people of the state of Ohio, grateful to Almighty   God for our freedom, to secure its blessings and to promote our common   

Oklahoma 1907, Preamble. Invoking the guidance of Almighty God, in order   to secure and perpetuate the blessings of liberty ... establish this

Oregon   1857, Bill of Rights, Article I. Section 2. All men shall be secure in   the Natural right, to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of   their consciences..

Pennsylvania 1776, Preamble We, the people of   Pennsylvania, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of civil and   religious liberty, and humbly invoking His guidance
Rhode Island   

1842, Preamble. We the People of the State of Rhode Island grateful to   Almighty God for the civil and religious liberty which He hath so long   permitted us to enjoy, and looking t o Him for a blessing

South   Carolina, 1778, Preamble. We, the people of he State of South Carolina   grateful to God for our liberties, do ordain and establish this   Constitution.

South Dakota 1889, Preamble. We, the people of South   Dakota, grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious liberties .
   
Tennessee 1796, Art. XI.III. That all men have a natural and   indefeasible right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of   their conscience..

Texas 1845, Preamble. We the People of the Republic of Texas, acknowledging, with gratitude, the grace and beneficence of God.

Utah 1896, Preamble. Grateful to Almighty God for life and liberty, we establish this Constitution.

Vermont   1777, Preamble. Whereas all government ought to enable the individuals   who compose it to enjoy their natural rights, and other blessings which   the Author of Existence has bestowed on man ..

Virginia 1776,   Bill of Rights, XVI Religion, or the Duty which we owe our Creator can   be directed only by Reason and that it is the mutual duty of all to   practice Christian Forbearance, Love and Charity towards each other .

Washington   1889, Preamble. We the People of the State of Washington, grateful to   the Supreme Ruler of the Universe for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution

West Virginia 1872, Preamble. Since through Divine   Providence we enjoy the blessings of civil, political and religious   liberty, we, the people of West Virginia reaffirm our faith in and   constant reliance upon God ..

Wisconsin 1848, Preamble. We, the people of Wisconsin, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, domestic tranquility

Wyoming   1890, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Wyoming, grateful to God for our civil, political, and religious liberties .. establish this   Constitution.



I'm just sayin......

[Henry Hawk]

"Those people who will not be governed         by God will be ruled by tyrants."  William Penn 

[Palehorse]

 Almighty God

Supreme Ruler of Universe

Through Divine Goodness all men have, by nature, the   rights of worshippin g and serving their Creator

Supreme Being

Great Legislator of the Universe

unalienable right to worship God

the Sovereign Ruler of Nations

Author of Existence

With the exception of Virginia with its ". . .mutual duty of all to practice Christian Forbearance, Love and Charity towards each other . . ." phrasing, (which I suggest right here could be found to be unconstitutional), NONE of your sources say anything about said "creator, being, etc., being of Christian descent or any sect for that matter. About the only thing that can be said about this is the fact that every state acknowledges the existence of a "higher being or power", and that it is each citizens choice as to how to worship said being, or choose not to!

That being the case, just how is it wrong for any religion to build a place of learning, fellowship, worship, and prayer 2 blocks from ground zero of the 9/11 attack site, when the Oklahoma City attack site contains Christian religious symbols???? Especially when the Oklahoma City attack itself was perpetrated by a Christian!

[Henry Hawk]

the people in Oklahoma are NOT upset by any Christian symbol that was placed there....the people IN New York, do not believe THAT spot is a good place to start building bridges between folks....why is it so hard for you to understand this?

and as far as Christian Nation....let me put it this way.....Our forefathers was CLEARLY, Godly men...enough to have GOD mentioned, and to honor Him and give THANKS to him....the religion of choice back then was predominately Christian...so, YOU do the math....

why do you feel the need to argue this, when it is SO obvious that it is what it is.....

Nobody today is putting any guns to anybody's head making them a Christian....but, respecting our heritage IS important to most Americans.....and that heritage WAS a fact that they believed in God, and felt it important to realize that our Liberties was because of God.

[Palehorse]

the people in Oklahoma are NOT upset by any Christian symbol that was placed there....the people IN New York, do not believe THAT spot is a good place to start building bridges between folks....why is it so hard for you to understand this?

I am never understanding or tolerant of the practices of religious bigotry! What is so hard for you to understand about that?
(And the 9/11 victims families are split 50 / 50 over the acceptability)

and as far as Christian Nation....let me put it this way.....Our forefathers was CLEARLY, Godly men...enough to have GOD mentioned, and to honor Him and give THANKS to him....the religion of choice back then was predominately Christian...so, YOU do the math....

So, what about the tens of thousands of Native Americans they slaughtered? Were they Christian too?  They were not all Christians. . .

why do you feel the need to argue this, when it is SO obvious that it is what it is.....

Yes, religious bigotry!

Nobody today is putting any guns to anybody's head making them a Christian....but, respecting our heritage IS important to most Americans.....and that heritage WAS a fact that they believed in God, and felt it important to realize that our Liberties was because of God.

Makes one wonder why they chose to incorporate vague terminology to refer to a higher being. . . Could it be because endorsement of ANY religion by government is unconstitutional?