The Spill, The Scandal and the President...

[Henry Hawk]

Henry's source:

http://www.bitchaboutobama.com/2010/06/15/obama-an-incompetent-executive/



Very unbiased. Did either one of you yahoos fact check the thing?

first of all it is an opinion peice, I never claimed it to be a scientific study....and it is written by a former democrat and a democrat advisor to Bill Clinton......so, he is probably as biased as you will find when it comes to politics...he has been on both sides of the fence.

[me]

Q: There are many people who say that the best dredgers and skimmers in the world come from countries like the Netherlands and France and that they can't—they're not being asked to come in because of the Jones Act.  Is that the case?  And why not get around that, suspend that, so you can bring that other you know technology in?

ADMIRAL ALLEN: Well, first of all, those are source countries.  That's correct, they're available.  But we are using them.  We are dealing with folks like Norway, the Netherlands, Canada and other places.  Anyplace that's got skimming capability that's available, we're willing to talk to them, and we actually have, in some cases, actually transferred the equipment down and will continue to do that.

If it gets—if it gets to the point where there's a Jones Act required, we're willing to do that, too. Nobody's come to me with a request for a Jones Act waiver, but any skimming capability we can bring in, we're looking for.

Q: So are the actual boats being brought in or just the equipment?

ADMIRAL ALLEN: Well, in some cases it's the skimmer itself.  In some cases, the skimming equipment is organic to the vessel itself.  It depends on what you're talking about.  To my knowledge, what we brought in is actually skimming equipment rather than the vessels themselves, but we can give you a detailed listing.

Wouldn't it be quicker to bring in the ship than to dismantle it and then fit the equipment to another vessel.  You have shown nothing to dispute what I have said about waiving the Jones act.

[Palehorse]

Wouldn't it be quicker to bring in the ship than to dismantle it and then fit the equipment to another vessel.  You have shown nothing to dispute what I have said about waiving the Jones act.

No. Once dismantled it can be loaded aboard cargo aircraft and flown here. Ships take several weeks to get to the Gulf, to months depending upon location.

What exactly do you want them to do just remove all restrictions without anyone justifying the need to do so? You know, Mexicans could then just come across on any old boat they want! 

[Palehorse]

first of all it is an opinion peice, I never claimed it to be a scientific study....and it is written by a former democrat and a democrat advisor to Bill Clinton......so, he is probably as biased as you will find when it comes to politics...he has been on both sides of the fence.

So I was right; tripe! 

[Sandy Eggo]

Wouldn't it be quicker to bring in the ship than to dismantle it and then fit the equipment to another vessel.  You have shown nothing to dispute what I have said about waiving the Jones act.

Did you bother to read? If so,where do the requests come from?

You have not supported a need for waiving the Jone's act.

I don't see where it speaks to "dismantling" anything, but perhaps it's more cost effective to ship the parts that are required rather than the entire kit-and-kaboodle which are not.

[Sandy Eggo]

So I was right; tripe! 

and you were reading my mind.

[me]

No. Once dismantled it can be loaded aboard cargo aircraft and flown here. Ships take several weeks to get to the Gulf, to months depending upon location.

What exactly do you want them to do just remove all restrictions without anyone justifying the need to do so? You know, Mexicans could then just come across on any old boat they want! 

I doubt that since other countries enforce their illegal immigrant laws and they would have to get past them first. 

[Henry Hawk]

So I was right; tripe! 

Isn't that pretty much ALL that is on here...(the forum that is?)....just a bunch of opinions?.....from now on I will refer to ALL of your opinions as "tripe"...

[Palehorse]

What does that have to do with stopping this oil from reaching shore?.........folks in Louisana would have welcomed anyone that could have stopped that oil from reaching land, and those who are willing to clean it up....too, late now.

So screw the 20+ million unemployed in this country and bring in foreigners? Don't pull something stretching like that.

How in the hell can you NOT, accept the fact that this has been very badly mishandled?..........I know!!! because you are a democrat (despite what you say)...and you will NEVER admit that this POTUS is a poor example of a President....just because he got elected does NOT make him a qualified leader...if an elephant took a crap on your head, you would blame it on Bush, and claim Obama will figure out whose ASS to kick and he would make damn sure the elephant paid for all of YOU damages...

First of all, if an elephant shits on my head I'll kill him, tan his hide, and sell it to the highest bidder, and have a nice set of ivory handles made for my handguns with his tusks.

Mishandled? YES! BY BP! The government carries their share of the blame for nurturing an environment that brought us to this place within the industry, but that is not the fault of the current POTUS. But it is his job to correct it.

You just do not like him, by your very own admission, and no matter what he does or does not do you will find fault in him and the situation. Sour grapes.

If I were to claim affiliation with a political party it would be far better that it be democratic as opposed to republican. I don't understand how you consider that a slur though.

prove it, you can't.........and please you have no basis to compare him to Lincoln.....he is more comparable to Carter....THAT I could see.

Well there is no way to know for sure, but one thing I can say is that McCain is far more experienced than a one-term senator, community organizer....just like Dick Morris said (in the thread that I attached earlier)....obama has acted like a legislater, a lawyer and a populist....NOT a leader.

Well lets see, where do I begin?

BOTH were lawyers
BOTH were from Illinois
BOTH were elected amidst periods of great upheaval within this country
BOTH are known to be open to new ideas, listen to criticism, and seek out opinions from all sides of a given issue.
BOTH are prolific speech writers, strong orators, with a strong sense of morality within their rhetoric.
BOTH have a calming, confident demeanor and tone. (YOU take this as arrogance).
BOTH were US Senators representing the State of Illinois
Obama is a Lincoln scholar and often refers to Lincoln's speeches within his own. He aspires to emulate this great president.
The white house china are exact replicas of that which Lincoln dined upon during his presidency.

Shall I continue?

McUseless would have been a total disaster with his drill baby, drill approach to the presidency. His bimbo Sara would have been his lap dog.

[Palehorse]

.....from now on I will refer to ALL of your opinions as "tripe"...

And that will be different how exactly? I am after all a prick.

[Henry Hawk]

Well lets see, where do I begin?

BOTH were lawyers
BOTH were from Illinois
BOTH were elected amidst periods of great upheaval within this country
BOTH are known to be open to new ideas, listen to criticism, and seek out opinions from all sides of a given issue.
BOTH are prolific speech writers, strong orators, with a strong sense of morality within their rhetoric.
BOTH have a calming, confident demeanor and tone. (YOU take this as arrogance).
BOTH were US Senators representing the State of Illinois
Obama is a Lincoln scholar and often refers to Lincoln's speeches within his own. He aspires to emulate this great president.
The white house china are exact replicas of that which Lincoln dined upon during his presidency.

Shall I continue?

WOW!! and you accused me of plagurism...http://ameritales.com/blog/?p=22 ...shall I continue?  

and btw, I never called you a prick... ...it didn't happen....nor would I ever do that to you.

[Palehorse]

WOW!! and you accused me of plagurism...http://ameritales.com/blog/?p=22 ...shall I continue?  

and btw, I never called you a prick... ...it didn't happen....nor would I ever do that to you.

WRONG! Here are my "sources": which I did NOT quote verbatum but did utilize in assuring my listing was accurate. So try again.  (Why you think I asked you if you wanted me to continue?) 

http://www.reobama.com/ObamaLincoln.htm

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/01/17/politics/main4731552.shtml

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/18/obama.lincoln/index.html

http://www.cnn.com/2008/SHOWBIZ/books/12/23/mcpherson.lincoln/index.html

http://www.sj-r.com/time_out/x199495734/Obama-and-Lincoln-similarities

http://www.vcstar.com/news/2009/jan/20/similarities-between-obama-and-lincoln/

And yes, you did. . .

Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 14, 2010, 02:49:29 PM
I guess you don't believe in the first admendment right?......or are you just practicing democrat politics of being a prick?

[Henry Hawk]

WRONG! Here are my "sources": which I did NOT quote verbatum but did utilize in assuring my listing was accurate. So try again.  (Why you think I asked you if you wanted me to continue?) 

http://www.reobama.com/ObamaLincoln.htm

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/01/17/politics/main4731552.shtml

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/18/obama.lincoln/index.html

http://www.cnn.com/2008/SHOWBIZ/books/12/23/mcpherson.lincoln/index.html

http://www.sj-r.com/time_out/x199495734/Obama-and-Lincoln-similarities

http://www.vcstar.com/news/2009/jan/20/similarities-between-obama-and-lincoln/

And yes, you did. . .

nice try.....just becasue you said do you want me to continue, does not mean you was going to own up to it....


and I said "are you just practicing democrat politics of being a prick"...I never called you a prick....nor would I ever....there some folks on here that I wouldn't hesitate on doing that, but not you.....again, this is typical of taking a quote and making it something that it is not, or was not intended that way......

[Sandy Eggo]

So he's just a liar?

[Palehorse]

nice try.....just becasue you said do you want me to continue, does not mean you was going to own up to it....

Own up to what? Show me where I plagiarized!  Now I am a liar too?!

You inferred that because my position mirrors a democratic one I am a prick. Spin it anyway you like, I know what it meant.