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Republican Party, Teabag Party and the Libertarian Party absolutely SUCK!

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me

I think, more than anything, it was the way it was done and the fact that congress, even Feinstein, disagreed with it when it was discussed before because of the circumstances and he knew if he went the proper route it wouldn't happen. 
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Purplelady1040

I have a question and I am not trying to be a smart ass but let's say the proof shows that Berghdal (sp.) did go AWOL what do you think should happen? I mean the obvious would be an article 32 hearing if they decide to go that route but what else do you think? I am hoping it is all just speculation.

Palehorse

Quote from: Purplelady1040 on June 09, 2014, 08:44:01 PM
I have a question and I am not trying to be a smart ass but let's say the proof shows that Berghdal (sp.) did go AWOL what do you think should happen? I mean the obvious would be an article 32 hearing if they decide to go that route but what else do you think? I am hoping it is all just speculation.

I'm not even going to speculate on that. It serves no purpose.

We've already got this family, who is alleged to have done nothing other than to support their son as any parent would/should, being threatened with their lives by the right wing nuts of the fringe of this society.

Nothing good can come from it.
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Purplelady1040

Quote from: Palehorse on June 09, 2014, 08:47:49 PM
I'm not even going to speculate on that. It serves no purpose.

We've already got this family, who is alleged to have done nothing other than to support their son as any parent would/should, being threatened with their lives by the right wing nuts of the fringe of this society.

Nothing good can come from it.
I hate it for his family.  It is probably why he is  afraid to call them because they have been receiving death threats.

Exterminator

"Listen, I did what needed to be done. What congress wouldn't do, and what our nation always does — get our troops home. Do you think I'm so naïve to blindly just hand over five detainees without proper preparation? Seriously?! C'mon now. What should I have done, sold them 1500 missiles? What to only have them get more hostages? We all know how that works out. Republicans were all for Sergeant Bergdahl's release until it actually happened. They were already preparing talking points and headlines that I abandoned a US soldier. He's coming home. If there's an investigation to be made as to why he went missing, then it will be done, but we don't leave people behind. We just don't."

LMAO!  Pwned!
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

me

Quote from: Exterminator on June 10, 2014, 09:36:08 AM
"Listen, I did what needed to be done. What congress wouldn't do, and what our nation always does — get our troops home. Do you think I'm so naïve to blindly just hand over five detainees without proper preparation? Seriously?! C'mon now. What should I have done, sold them 1500 missiles? What to only have them get more hostages? We all know how that works out. Republicans were all for Sergeant Bergdahl's release until it actually happened. They were already preparing talking points and headlines that I abandoned a US soldier. He's coming home. If there's an investigation to be made as to why he went missing, then it will be done, but we don't leave people behind. We just don't."

LMAO!  Pwned!
:rolleyes:
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The Troll



  :music1: Oh happy day :music1:  Oh happy day  :music1: When Jesus comes :music1:  And he has certainly must have came :music1: Oh happy day :music1:

  Eric Cantor defeated in primary election by the Tea Party.  :choo:  :choo:  :choo:  The Tea Party was started by the Republicans and it has raised it's ugly head and bit them in the ass.  :haha:  :haha:  :haha:

libby

Quote from: Exterminator on June 10, 2014, 09:36:08 AM
“Listen, I did what needed to be done. What congress wouldn’t do, and what our nation always does — get our troops home. Do you think I’m so naïve to blindly just hand over five detainees without proper preparation? Seriously?! C’mon now. What should I have done, sold them 1500 missiles? What to only have them get more hostages? We all know how that works out. Republicans were all for Sergeant Bergdahl’s release until it actually happened. They were already preparing talking points and headlines that I abandoned a US soldier. He’s coming home. If there’s an investigation to be made as to why he went missing, then it will be done, but we don’t leave people behind. We just don’t.”

LMAO!  Pwned!

Snowden walked away from his job with classified material that has done and still could do irreparable harm to this country, yet he's been treated like a folk hero, while Sgt. Bergdahl walked away empty-handed, was captured and held prisoner for 5 years,  and he and his family are being maligned at every turn.
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The following is from yesterday's Washington Post:

Bowe Bergdahl said he was tortured, kept in a cage by Taliban, U.S. officials say

Taliban-held U.S. soldier released in exchange for Afghan detainees

By Karen DeYoung June 8, 2014

Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl has told his doctors and debriefers that he was repeatedly tortured by his Taliban captors and was kept in a cage for extended periods after twice trying to escape, according to U.S. officials familiar with initial reports on Bergdahl's condition.

The officials cautioned that no conclusions have been reached about how Bergdahl was treated during nearly five years of captivity, and they said a definitive assessment of accounts from a young man whose psychological condition is fragile may never be possible.

What does seem clear, from intelligence reports over the years and accounts in addition to Bergdahl's own, is that he was frequently moved while in captivity and was traded among various groups of militants, according to the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity about the closely held reports.

Rear Adm. John Kirby, the Pentagon's press secretary, said in a statement that the Defense Department would "not comment on discussions that Sgt. Bergdahl is having with the professionals who are providing him medial and reintegration care" and that it would "conduct a comprehensive review to learn the circumstances of Sgt. Bergdahl's disappearance and captivity. . . . Our focus remains on providing him with the care he needs."

Bergdahl, who was exchanged May 31 for five Taliban detainees being held by the U.S. military at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, remains at a U.S. military medical center in Germany. He will eventually be transferred to a medical center in San Antonio, where he will gradually be reunited with his family.

At a joint news conference with British Prime Minister David Cameron, President Obama said he made "absolutely no apologies" for the way Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl was returned from Afghanistan. The Taliban released Bergdahl in exchange for five of its commanders.

Officials believe that for most of his captivity, he was held by members of the Haqqani network, a Taliban-allied group of Afghans based in Pakistan's western tribal region.

"I think there are going to be a lot of things that Bergdahl tells the Army and the medical folks that he's talking to now that is going to be very difficult to validate," Sen. Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga.) said Sunday on CBS's "Face the Nation."

"That's not to say they're not absolutely true, but we weren't there," said Chambliss, the senior Republican on the Senate Intelligence Committee. "We have nobody who was on the inside. So we don't know exactly what happened in his life over the last several years, except we do know he was captured and he's been in the Taliban's hands."

Bergdahl's account of torture and being held in a cage was first reported Saturday by the New York Times.

Chambliss and others also raised the Obama administration's changing rationale for the urgency surrounding the Bergdahl exchange.

The administration initially said the exchange was urgent because they believed that Bergdahl's health had deteriorated so much that his death could have been imminent. Officials have since said their greatest fear was that his value to his captors was rapidly diminishing after three years of sporadic and unsuccessful negotiations and as the U.S. combat withdrawal from Afghanistan drew near.

"When Bergdahl was let go, what we were told was . . . he was in poor health, and they were concerned that if they did not make this exchange that his life would be in danger as a result of bad health," Chambliss said. "Well, no intelligence supported that.

"And now they come back, and because he is in decent health, considering where he's been, they've changed their story."

Both Chambliss and Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), chairman of the Intelligence Committee, who appeared on the same program, questioned the administration's decision not to inform select members of Congress before the exchange, which took place in Afghanistan near the Pakistani border.

U.S. officials have said the possibility that the information would have become public, and that Bergdahl would have been killed, was too great a risk.

Feinstein said she and Chambliss have been briefed many times on classified operations and were sworn to secrecy. "We have never violated that," she said. "But at least you have some knowledge and you can make some comment. That's never been the case with this particular situation. So it hits us as a real surprise."

Secretary of State John F. Kerry, in an appearance on CNN's "State of the Union," appeared to support both Bergdahl's account of torture and the administration's belief that he was in danger of execution. "It would have been offensive and incomprehensible to consciously leave an American behind, no matter what, to leave an American behind in the hands of people who had tortured him," Kerry said.

He also defended the administration against charges that the released Taliban members posed too great a risk of returning to the battlefield and endangering Americans in the future.

"It seems to me we have an ability — we know we have the ability — to be able to deal with people who want to threaten Americans, who threaten the United States," Kerry said. "And if that's what they go back on their word to do, or if the Qataris don't enforce what they've done, we have any number of avenues available to us to be able to deal with that."

The five detainees were sent to Qatar, which provided written assurances that they would remain in that country for the next year and would be kept from participating in terrorist activities.

Kerry branded as "propaganda" reports that at least one of the former Guantanamo detainees has already said he plans to return to the fight and that the Haqqani network has threatened to kidnap more Americans.

He declined to discuss accounts by members of Bergdahl's unit in Afghanistan that he was a deserter and that several service members had been killed searching for him after he walked off an Army post in eastern Afghanistan in the summer of 2009.

"There's plenty of time for people to sort through what happened, what didn't happen," Kerry said.

Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel, who signed off on the exchange after it was approved by President Obama, is expected to respond to these and other questions in testimony Wednesday before the House Armed Services Committee.

karen.deyoung@washpost.com


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libby

Quote from: The Troll on June 10, 2014, 10:00:07 PM

  :music1: Oh happy day :music1:  Oh happy day  :music1: When Jesus comes :music1:  And he has certainly must have came :music1: Oh happy day :music1:

  Eric Cantor defeated in primary election by the Tea Party.  :choo:  :choo:  :choo:  The Tea Party was started by the Republicans and it has raised it's ugly head and bit them in the ass.  :haha:  :haha:  :haha:
:sneaky:
All of life is a process of testing and initiation, always preparing for a higher level of consciousness -- and illumination. -- John Horn

Locutus

Quote from: The Troll on June 10, 2014, 10:00:07 PM

  :music1: Oh happy day :music1:  Oh happy day  :music1: When Jesus comes :music1:  And he has certainly must have came :music1: Oh happy day :music1:

  Eric Cantor defeated in primary election by the Tea Party.  :choo:  :choo:  :choo:  The Tea Party was started by the Republicans and it has raised it's ugly head and bit them in the ass.  :haha:  :haha:  :haha:


You sure this is a good thing Troll?  This probably means that even less will be done now in Congress than was done before. 
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Henry Hawk

I know this is going to nauseate most of you, but I think the TEA PARTY represents a very good thing for this country.  At the least these guys are doing exactly what they campaigned to do.  Not like all the others from both parties who say one thing and then do another AFTER they are elected.

The American public understands this and THAT is why Cantor is without a job right now.  The message is loud and clear.  Do the job you are elected by your people to do.

I LOVE the fact that Eric Cantor is gone.  He is a snake like 90% of all of the other POS officials we have in Washington.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Palehorse

I think that whole tea bagger thing is nothing but extremist politics disguised as conservatism; and you know where I stand on that.

As for Cantor, I believe it to be a preview of what is to come, but not necessarily anything good for the tea baggers. The GOP is a party divided, and last night proved it. That can only bode well for the democratic party, since the infighting and sharp lines of division within that party will serve to weaken them.

I would at least agree that "the people have spoken" but surrounding what they said yesterday in Virginia, I disagree.

An unknown with a war chest of around 200k toppled a "god", and my bet is a bunch of that money came from the tea baggers. But, his message resonated with those in that area of the country. The reality is they do not represent the majority of this country in the way the media and the extremist messages in the media would indicate, and soon the reality of just what the people said will come home in the ensuing months.

Each time the GOP has held unemployment funding hostage over the last 5 years, they have alienated voters. They continue to do that very thing today.

Each time they hold philanthropic legislation intended to help the needy in their time of need hostage, they alienate voters. Some of them very likely to have been strict GOP votes in the past, but no more.

It is time to clean house in congress, and those jackwagons that have been riding the gravy train for years and decades had best be very afraid, for they will soon be in that unemployment line with the millions of others. The only difference is they have huge retirement funds squirreled away that will probably sustain their life-styles for decades;  and some of them until they take that long dirt nap.

And that is most unfortunate of all.
R.I.P. - followsthewolf - You are MISSED! 4/17/2013

That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville

The Troll

Quote from: Locutus on June 11, 2014, 02:27:36 PM
You sure this is a good thing Troll?  This probably means that even less will be done now in Congress than was done before.

  Locutus, the Republicans in congress couldn't do any more 'less'   :yes:  But if Dave Brat win the seat he will be a back bencher with no power or say in what happens.   :yes:

  The old saying, the more things change the more things stay the same.  :wink:  Brat is just another Far Right Wingnut Republican "Dick"    :biggrin:

Exterminator

Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 11, 2014, 03:54:01 PM
I know this is going to nauseate most of you, but I think the TEA PARTY represents a very good thing for this country.

You say this like none of us had already figured out that you aren't too bright.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Henry Hawk

Quote from: Exterminator on June 16, 2014, 12:16:57 PM
You say this like none of us had already figured out that you aren't too bright.

Do you have a mouse in your pocket or what?
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW