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Started by me, May 13, 2010, 09:31:20 AM

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LOsborne

#15
May 13, 2010, 07:52:41 PM
I read Palehorse's link. Did you? Here is the financial summary.

Bill Total
2009 Enacted: $40.128 billion
2010 President's Request: $43.071 billion (includes Coast Guard Overseas Contingencies)
House Passed: $42.617 billion
Senate Passed: $42.927 billion
Conference Agreement: $42.776 billion

No matter how you slice it, this years total is two and a half billion more than last year's total. The Daily News and the Post are pissed that a bigger slice isn't going to NYC. Do you really think the President of the United States sat down with a pie chart and allocated all the funds to the various cities and states? Use your head!

me

#16
May 13, 2010, 08:11:42 PM
Yes, they are pissed and I don't blame them one bit.  If he thought it was so important when he signed the bill why did he reverse it and take some away after actual incidences?
Trump 2020

The Troll

#17
May 13, 2010, 08:16:17 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 13, 2010, 04:45:22 PMI don't really care who or where the blame is, cutting Anti-Terror funds is wrong.....with the forecasted threat of attack, It will be a tough pill to swollow if we have another "successful" attack in this country...Obama is the leader, and HIS job is to keep ALL Americans safe... That is all I am going to say about this....

  Henry you can spend this country broke.  Spending trillion and trillions of dollars to protect us.  There is no way we can spend ourselves 100% terrorist free.

  There is no way we can stop anyone who is willing to kill him or herself to kill us.  We were lucky that they took a over educated fool to build a bomb.  I worked around a lot of dangerous chemicals and I don't think you would want this old pipefitter to build a bomb.

  But if you think I'm going to sit around in a fetal position, worrying about I might die in a terrorist attack you don't know the Troll very well.  I would like to send all the sonuvabitch to hell.


                                                Terrorist  :devil4:  Troll :flag: :no1:

Sandy Eggo

#18
May 13, 2010, 08:27:38 PM
It's okay Lolly, basic math confuses some people.

Only after the last tree has been cut down. Only after the last river has been poisoned. Only after the last fish has been caught. Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten. - -Cree Indian Prophecy

"Women who strive to be equal to men lack ambitition" -- anonymous

Palehorse

#19
May 13, 2010, 08:32:28 PM
Quote from: me on May 13, 2010, 08:11:42 PM
Yes, they are pissed and I don't blame them one bit.  If he thought it was so important when he signed the bill why did he reverse it and take some away after actual incidences?


The POTUS doesn't determine the distribution of funding. The DHS's rating system does this. . .

First of all, all you have are a couple of articles that "assume" a whole lot and are very short on facts. Both saying the WH is supposed to make an announcement tomorrow, so lets just wait and see what the official stance is on this before we burn the witch eh? (I still maintain that this is exactly the same issue they raised in 2006 and it is driven by DHS program ratings).

Secondly, NY is no different than Illinois, Alabama, New Jersey, or any other state when it comes to terrorist initiatives, with every state holding targets of opportunity, yet because they were victimized historically they have received additional fed funding for 8 years when compared to other states. What is an acceptable milestone for them to achieve surrounding emergency infrastructure, personnel, and remediatory/proactive programming; and what is an acceptable timeframe for them to achieve this within?

At some point they have to reach saturation surrounding resources, and it isn't as if the feds are not present in the form of various departments within the state at very high levels in support of everything these funds are supposed to have created in the last 8 years.  Should we continue to spend at high levels in one spot and allow the other states to develop weaknesses that will allow a similar attack to take place there instead?

There are a finite number of tits on the pig, and each piglet needs its turn at one of them. NY after 9 years is not being removed from the tit, but placed upon a less productive one in order to provide nutrients to its weaker siblings.

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LOsborne

#20
May 13, 2010, 09:10:42 PM
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on May 13, 2010, 08:27:38 PM
It's okay Lolly, basic math confuses some people.

Thank you, Sandy. I was getting real close to bashing my head against that wall again. Me is justing playin' me, right? Nobody really believes the POTUS does fund allocation line-by-line.

Henry Hawk

#21
May 13, 2010, 10:58:16 PM
Quote from: The Troll on May 13, 2010, 08:16:17 PM
  Henry you can spend this country broke.  Spending trillion and trillions of dollars to protect us.  There is no way we can spend ourselves 100% terrorist free.

  There is no way we can stop anyone who is willing to kill him or herself to kill us.  We were lucky that they took a over educated fool to build a bomb.  I worked around a lot of dangerous chemicals and I don't think you would want this old pipefitter to build a bomb.

  But if you think I'm going to sit around in a fetal position, worrying about I might die in a terrorist attack you don't know the Troll very well.  I would like to send all the sonuvabitch to hell.


                                                Terrorist  :devil4:  Troll :flag: :no1:

please don't ever refer to me as a dumbass again..........THIS is ABSOLUTELY THE MOST OUTRAGEOUS AND MORONIC THING I HAVE EVER READ ON THIS FORUM....

TO THE POINT, I AM ALMOST SICK AND NUMB....IT IS NOT EVEN FUNNY ANYMORE....

GO AHEAD GUYS ACT LIKE THESE WORDS ARE OKAY, AND JUST LET IT GO......

FUCKING STUPID SHIT!!....I AM NOT EVEN GOING TO RESPOND TO THIS




I NEED A VACATION ..... BAD!!!!
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The Troll

#22
May 13, 2010, 11:57:57 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 13, 2010, 10:58:16 PM
please don't ever refer to me as a dumbass again..........THIS is ABSOLUTELY THE MOST OUTRAGEOUS AND MORONIC THING I HAVE EVER READ ON THIS FORUM....

TO THE POINT, I AM ALMOST SICK AND NUMB....IT IS NOT EVEN FUNNY ANYMORE....

GO AHEAD GUYS ACT LIKE THESE WORDS ARE OKAY, AND JUST LET IT GO......

FUCKING STUPID SHIT!!....I AM NOT EVEN GOING TO RESPOND TO THIS




I NEED A VACATION ..... BAD!!!!

  Henry, are you talking about the troll calling you a dumbass.  Even tho I think you are a dumbass 3/4 of the time, I thought I was holding it in better than that.  Could you let see the post I made, calling you a dumbass.  I truly don't remember it.

  I'll try not to call you that again, until you get a good vacation.  I don't want you to have high blood pressure and have a stroke.  I enjoy pulling your ripcord. :para:

  You should have known that when you made that new topic, "Democarts Sucks", you dug yourself a hole :dig: and you became one big target.   :rifle:

Sorry.  The Troll :no1:

LOsborne

#23
May 14, 2010, 08:15:09 AM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 13, 2010, 10:58:16 PM
...THIS is ABSOLUTELY THE MOST OUTRAGEOUS AND MORONIC THING I HAVE EVER READ ON THIS FORUM....

....GO AHEAD GUYS ACT LIKE THESE WORDS ARE OKAY, AND JUST LET IT GO......

Hank, you know I love you, and you know I don't read Troll's posts, but you are so upset I looked to see what had set you off.

The gist of his post seems to be "There is no way we can spend ourselves 100% terrorist free.
  There is no way we can stop anyone who is willing to kill him or herself to kill us."

I'm surprised to say I think he is right. How many times have we been told there is no real defense against a dedicated madman with a rifle? It comes back to the premise that the real price of freedom is risk. I happen to think freedom is worth the price.

I'm sorry you're so upset, and sorry I don't understand why. Please explain to me what I'm missing. I really do want to understand.

The Troll

#24
May 14, 2010, 08:36:52 AM
Quote from: LOsborne on May 14, 2010, 08:15:09 AM
Hank, you know I love you, and you know I don't read Troll's posts, but you are so upset I looked to see what had set you off.

The gist of his post seems to be "There is no way we can spend ourselves 100% terrorist free.
  There is no way we can stop anyone who is willing to kill him or herself to kill us."

I'm surprised to say I think he is right. How many times have we been told there is no real defense against a dedicated madman with a rifle? It comes back to the premise that the real price of freedom is risk. I happen to think freedom is worth the price.

I'm sorry you're so upset, and sorry I don't understand why. Please explain to me what I'm missing. I really do want to understand.

  Lolly, Lolly, Lolly,  so you don't read my posts.  What got your panties in a knot.  If it because you think I attacked you, your the one who wanted to squat over my grave and pee on it.  I have never wanted to hurt  you or hurt your grave.  Just remember if you want to get into a fist fight, the one who has the brass knuckles will do the most damage.

  But, I would like your input, JUST WHAT HAVE I SAID, THAT'S  SO WRONG AND JUST WHAT DID I SAY THAT HURT  YOUR SENSEABILITYS.  But it most likely won't change my style.  Your just going to get tough.

Sandy Eggo

#25
May 14, 2010, 08:54:56 AM
Quote from: The Troll on May 14, 2010, 08:36:52 AM
  Lolly, Lolly, Lolly,  so you don't read my posts.  What got your panties in a knot.  If it because you think I attacked you, your the one who wanted to squat over my grave and pee on it.  I have never wanted to hurt  you or hurt your grave.  Just remember if you want to get into a fist fight, the one who has the brass knuckles will do the most damage.

  But, I would like your input, JUST WHAT HAVE I SAID, THAT'S  SO WRONG AND JUST WHAT DID I SAY THAT HURT  YOUR SENSEABILITYS.  But it most likely won't change my style.  Your just going to get tough.

Troll, she was supporting your comment and trying to understand why Henry's head started spinning 'round. ;D
Only after the last tree has been cut down. Only after the last river has been poisoned. Only after the last fish has been caught. Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten. - -Cree Indian Prophecy

"Women who strive to be equal to men lack ambitition" -- anonymous

followsthewolf

#26
May 14, 2010, 08:58:09 AM
READING AND SCIENCE ARE SOOOOOOOOO HAAAAAAARRRRRRDDDDD!!!!!
Ignorance and fanaticism are ravenous. They require constant feeding.

Palehorse

#27
May 14, 2010, 09:00:45 AM
Quote from: followsthewolf on May 14, 2010, 08:58:09 AM
READING AND SCIENCE ARE SOOOOOOOOO HAAAAAAARRRRRRDDDDD!!!!!

:food24: :rotfl:
R.I.P. - followsthewolf - You are MISSED! 4/17/2013

That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville

The Troll

#28
May 14, 2010, 09:18:32 AM
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on May 14, 2010, 08:54:56 AM
Troll, she was supporting your comment and trying to understand why Henry's head started spinning 'round. ;D


  I an well aware of what she's trying to do.  But that little statement of "you know I don't read Troll's posts" is what bothers me.  Is it that I am just a blue collar worker, I'm beneath her scholarly Queendom.

Sandy Eggo

#29
May 14, 2010, 11:02:13 AM
Well, it couldn't be your subtle and charming forum personlity turning her off ;D

Only after the last tree has been cut down. Only after the last river has been poisoned. Only after the last fish has been caught. Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten. - -Cree Indian Prophecy

"Women who strive to be equal to men lack ambitition" -- anonymous
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