The Supreme Court Is Wrong!

[dan foster]

what ever happened to accidents?  I know there are cases of negligence that justify things, but there ARE some outrageous cases of people being over compensated, way too many cases in my opinion....like the lady who got burned by coffee at McDonalds....this is the type of cases that are being abused and costing "citizens" billions of $ per year....it is fraudulent.

You have the GOP so far up your ass, your dick looks like an elephant's trunk.  There aren't too many lawsuits.  There probably aren't enough.  The right wingers use one or two cases to show the trend, but most people don't sue, when they should, and most can't because they can't win.  Corps have it stacked in their favor.  And, somebody suing another motorist and getting $1M is a hoax, or fiction from a movie.  So, just keep on mouthing the words, just like you do for your religion.

[LOsborne]

way too many cases in my opinion....like the lady who got burned by coffee at McDonalds....

Henry, that took place in 1992. Since that is the one which leaps to the front of your mind, there can't have been all that many in the eighteen years since, or you would have cited a more recent one.

That lawsuit wasn't all that frivolous anyway. You would know that, if you had actually read about the case. Since you haven't, I'll provide the link.

http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cur78.htm

[Henry Hawk]

what ever guys..........my point is many, many lawyers have gotten a bad rap for a REAL reason, they have become 'opportunists'....not that all are bad, that is not what I mean, but we live in a world of people wanting to "get rich - QUICK"...and lawyers, promoted this concept, and I KNOW, people who have gotten  large sums of money, because some lawyers have manipulated common laws to weigh in favor of themselves, to intimidate others into monitary exchanges to keep certain cases from going to court...and THIS, without a doubt has played into the rising costs of our healthcare....this is NOT even something that I will argue about, because I have witnessed it first hand....and THIS is an issue that needs addressed.

[followsthewolf]

Justice going to the highest bidder?

Hmmmmm.................corporate lobbying..........contributions to candidates..........geeez

NAH.........that never happens and never will.

[Locutus]

Henry, that took place in 1992. Since that is the one which leaps to the front of your mind, there can't have been all that many in the eighteen years since, or you would have cited a more recent one.

That lawsuit wasn't all that frivolous anyway. You would know that, if you had actually read about the case. Since you haven't, I'll provide the link.

http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cur78.htm

That's interesting.  I never knew those details about that case.  Thanks for providing the link. 

[dan foster]

what ever guys..........my point is many, many lawyers have gotten a bad rap for a REAL reason, they have become 'opportunists'....not that all are bad, that is not what I mean, but we live in a world of people wanting to "get rich - QUICK"...and lawyers, promoted this concept, and I KNOW, people who have gotten  large sums of money, because some lawyers have manipulated common laws to weigh in favor of themselves, to intimidate others into monitary exchanges to keep certain cases from going to court...and THIS, without a doubt has played into the rising costs of our healthcare....this is NOT even something that I will argue about, because I have witnessed it first hand....and THIS is an issue that needs addressed.

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[Locutus]

Seems as if the folks around here who oppose the decision made by the SCOTUS are in the majority.  Even Republicans are against it.


Much has been made of late about the hyper-partisan political environment in America. On Tuesday, Sen. Evan Bayh explained his surprising recent decision to leave the Senate by lamenting a "dysfunctional" political system riddled with "brain-dead partisanship."  It seems you'd be hard-pressed to get Republicans and Democrats inside and outside of Washington to agree on anything these days, that if one party publicly stated its intention to add a "puppies are adorable" declaration to its platform, that the other party would immediately launch a series of anti-puppy advertisements.

But it appears that one issue does unite Americans across the political spectrum.

A new Washington Post-ABC News poll finds that the vast majority of Americans are vehemently opposed to a recent Supreme Court ruling that opens the door for corporations, labor unions, and other organizations to spend money directly from their general funds to influence campaigns.

As noted by the Post's Dan Eggen, the poll's findings show "remarkably strong agreement" across the board, with roughly 80% of Americans saying that they're against the Court's 5-4 decision. Even more remarkable may be that opposition by Republicans, Democrats, and Independents were all near the same 80% opposition range. Specifically, 85% of Democrats, 81% of Independents, and 76% of Republicans opposed it. In short, "everyone hates" the ruling.

The poll's findings could enhance the possibility of getting a broad range of support behind a movement in Congress to pass legislation that would offset the Court's decision. Of those polled, 72% said they supported congressional action to reverse its effects. Sen. Charles Schumer, who's leading the reform effort in the Senate, told the Post that he hoped to get "strong and quick bi-partisan support" behind a bill that "passes constitutional muster but will still effectively limit the influence of special interests."

The findings of the poll are a bit surprising considering the fact that the case split the Supreme Court, with the five conservative justices in favor and the four more liberal justices against it. The decision was almost universally hailed by Republicans in Washington, who saw it as a victory for the free speech provided for under the Constitution, while President Obama and prominent Democrats in Washington almost universally derided it as a dark day for American democracy.

However, Sen. John McCain, one of the original sponsors of the campaign finance law struck down by Court's decision and one of its few prominent Republican opponents, may have been prophetic when he predicted Americans would turn against the Court. McCain told CBS's "Face the Nation" that there would be a "backlash" once awareness grew about "the amounts of union and corporate money that's going to go into political campaigns."

Perhaps the new poll numbers show that McCain might have been onto something.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20100217/ts_ynews/ynews_ts1137

[The Troll]

  What has happened to the Supreme Court of America.

  With giving George W. Bush the presidency.  Giving towns and cities the right to steal and rob you of your home and property through eminent domain and give or sell that property to the big businesses or corporations, so they put their businesses, condos, improvements on your property so the town or cities can make more property tax money than they were making on your house or property.  Just plain outright theft.

  I cannot believe, anyone would believe a corporation has the right to be considered a human being with a heart. a soul and is a living thing.

  A corporation is a godless, heartless entity with no morals, no conscience.  With no loyalty to God and country and only worships the bottom line.(profits, money). Corporations have no loyalty to the United States of America, it's people and in a lot of cases they cheat and steal from their own stockholders.  At least the UNIONS do work for their members and have benefited their people in many ways.  They also have helped other people who are not union workers.  Like the 40 hour week.  Corporations would like to work you 70 hours a day, 52 weeks a year.  Tell one thing corporations has benefited stockholders, like Enron, Tyco, General Motors and many more companies.  And you want these corporations to buy our politicians.

  What is so sickening about this ruling is, foreign corporations can now buy our politicians like Shell, Exxon, BP many more companies that don't give a damn about America, it's people and what we stand for.  Just profits and money it will make.  Just like Toyota which sold us their shitty cars, that speed up and you can't stop them.  Now they are leaving this country and going where the labor is cheaper.  And to think Toyota never has had a union.  They how have a base of stupid American buyers and they want to suck every dollar, quarter, dime, nickle and penny out of this county.  And we have the blind Republican who won't see, will still buy foreign cars.  It was the American corporations that built the war material that won World War II.  Some people just won't get it.

The Troll.

[Henry Hawk]

http://preview.bloomberg.com/news/2010-04-20/goldman-employees-donated-1-million-to-obama-campaign.html

Goldman Employees Donated $1 Million to Obama Campaign

Interesting...and so is this:

Reid dodges questions on Goldman $$$

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2010/04/20/2275442.aspx

[The Troll]

so your answer is for government to start telling the people HOW to spend their money?....and HOW and WHEN to speak?....What about the "Influences that the MEDIA" has in Washington?...is that next?.....Why don't they make laws to get rid of lobbyiests?......

  Oh my god, what in hell is wrong with your brain.  Other than taxes you can spend your money any way you want.  But a Corporation?  One more time, Henry.

  A Corporation is a godless entity, with no conscience, no morals.  Owing no allegiance to the United States of America nor it's people.  Worshiping at the alter of the bottom line.  It's sole purpose of making as much money as it can, anyway it can, for it's leaders and it's stockholder.  At the least cost and labor cost to it's self.  Most of all Corporations consider themselves, World Corporations.  Owing no allegiance to no one but it's self.

   Searching the world the lowest price products and bringing them back to the United States and killing the middle class working men and women and taking their jobs for their profit.  If you really look at, we are living in a slave economy, we are living off of the back of low wage slaves in other countries.

  For you, you can't see what you won't see.  Brain death, it's the only thing it can be.

The Troll        

[Henry Hawk]

 

  Oh my god, what in hell is wrong with your brain.  Other than taxes you can spend your money any way you want.  But a Corporation?  One more time, Henry.

  A Corporation is a godless entity, with no conscience, no morals.  Owing no allegiance to the United States of America nor it's people.  Worshiping at the alter of the bottom line.  It's sole purpose of making as much money as it can, anyway it can, for it's leaders and it's stockholder.  At the least cost and labor cost to it's self.  Most of all Corporations consider themselves, World Corporations.  Owing no allegiance to no one but it's self.

   Searching the world the lowest price products and bringing them back to the United States and killing the middle class working men and women and taking their jobs for their profit.  If you really look at, we are living in a slave economy, we are living off of the back of low wage slaves in other countries.

  For you, you can't see what you won't see.  Brain death, it's the only thing it can be.

The Troll        

I want to tell you something Troll, I started out in my married life with nothing. I did not go to college, but I worked VERY hard at every job I had the priviledge to work at.  Same with my wife.  I never had a UNION force a boss to give me MORE money based upon NO reason.....I got raises because I worked hard and became a value to the owner......the owner saw the value in me and gave me more money and benefits.....the owner, liked my ethics and attitude...I went to school, on my own time, to make myself even MORE valuable.....I played DAD to five great kids, managed to stay married and very much in love, and found time to study.....I am not through either, I am preparing to take my next step at getting more credentials, furthering my education.  I hope these evil Corporations keep on spending $$$, because if they stop we are all screwed.....

quit living in the past and expecting handouts.....people today have to get prepared and educated or the will get ran over....THAT is just the way it is....

making a skilled pay for doing an unskilled job is no longer available....it is OUR choice to make it or not.

I don't particuarly like this "world" economy either, but that is the cards we are dealt.....the way I see it, conseratives want to restore the small entreprenuers opportunities in this country, by creating tax breaks and incentives.....NOT raising taxes and taking away their opportunities.....

brain dead?  I don't think so.....just being realistic.

[The Troll]

I want to tell you something Troll, I started out in my married life with nothing. I did not go to college, but I worked VERY hard at every job I had the priviledge to work at.  Same with my wife.  I never had a UNION force a boss to give me MORE money based upon NO reason.....I got raises because I worked hard and became a value to the owner......the owner saw the value in me and gave me more money and benefits.....the owner, liked my ethics and attitude...I went to school, on my own time, to make myself even MORE valuable.....I played DAD to five great kids, managed to stay married and very much in love, and found time to study.....I am not through either, I am preparing to take my next step at getting more credentials, furthering my education.  I hope these evil Corporations keep on spending $$$, because if they stop we are all screwed.....

quit living in the past and expecting handouts.....people today have to get prepared and educated or the will get ran over....THAT is just the way it is....

making a skilled pay for doing an unskilled job is no longer available....it is OUR choice to make it or not.

I don't particuarly like this "world" economy either, but that is the cards we are dealt.....the way I see it, conseratives want to restore the small entreprenuers opportunities in this country, by creating tax breaks and incentives.....NOT raising taxes and taking away their opportunities.....

brain dead?  I don't think so.....just being realistic.

   There a Authoritarians and Authoritarians followers.  You are differently a Authoritarian follower.  Taking any and everything the boss man tells and gives you.  Graveling at his feet and praying if you kiss his ass enough, he might give you a crumb from his table. 

   Some how you, and you don't know a damn thing about it, have got the Union  and your thinking about Unions all wrong.  We the people are the Union.  We freely elect our Union officials.  We stand against the boss man and his selfish ways.  You know, with out the Unions you wouldn't have live as good as you have and are now living.

   And don't give me all that bullshit about how hard you worked.  We all have worked hard, I know I have.  The only real difference between me and you.  I didn't have to kiss as much ass as you did with you nonunion job.  Union people stand together and we fight as one.  Not one asskisser against another asskisser.  In order to have a strike,  the union members have to vote, over 50%, to have one.  It's a Federal Law!

   I am sure glad I got to belong to a good union, The UAW.  I didn't have to kiss ass to keep my job and I still have my pride.  To hell with the Authoritarians. 

The Troll  

[Sandy Eggo]

Walmart is full of conservatives while the small entrepreneur on the corner is closing his/her doors.

Conservative "wants" read loud and clear through actions. They couldn't care less about the "little guy".

[Henry Hawk]

Walmart is full of conservatives while the small entrepreneur on the corner is closing his/her doors.

Conservative "wants" read loud and clear through actions. They couldn't care less about the "little guy".

based upon my recent encounters at walmart, I would have to say they are full of democrats....mostly people who refuse to work for a living and are getting a free ride from our governemnt...THAT is the crowd I see there...

[Henry Hawk]

   There a Authoritarians and Authoritarians followers.  You are differently a Authoritarian follower.  Taking any and everything the boss man tells and gives you.  Graveling at his feet and praying if you kiss his ass enough, he might give you a crumb from his table. 

   Some how you, and you don't know a damn thing about it, have got the Union  and your thinking about Unions all wrong.  We the people are the Union.  We freely elect our Union officials.  We stand against the boss man and his selfish ways.  You know, with out the Unions you wouldn't have live as good as you have and are now living.

   And don't give me all that bullshit about how hard you worked.  We all have worked hard, I know I have.  The only real difference between me and you.  I didn't have to kiss as much ass as you did with you nonunion job.  Union people stand together and we fight as one.  Not one asskisser against another asskisser.  In order to have a strike,  the union members have to vote, over 50%, to have one.  It's a Federal Law!

   I am sure glad I got to belong to a good union, The UAW.  I didn't have to kiss ass to keep my job and I still have my pride.  To hell with the Authoritarians. 

The Troll  

I can tell you that you are wrong, 100%....there was/is no ass kissing going on....THAT is just a lazy man's term, picked up back in the old UAW days....for not having to do a full day's work for a ful days pay......remember I saw first hand, of your lovely leaders that you voted to represent you....while they was taking money out of your paycheck and using it to play golf, fish and go to Vegas.....It happened Troll, I tell you I know first hand.....I witnessed it!!!...many, not all of them, but many of them should have gone to jail for their ethics....

before you get all jiggy with me Troll, I will somewhat apologize in saying that I do not have anything against factory workers or those who belonged to the UAW...and it was not a completely bad thing....I honestly do understand that the owners needed a checks and balance to their management...but, on the other hand, there WAS a bad side to the UAW that seems to be ignored, and I seem to want to defend the owners because of that reason.....I know coporpate greed exists and there HAS to be a fine line somewhere in between....

getting back on my point, I was fortunate to have had a very good boss/owner to work for, who has treated me very good, and out of respect I try to give him my best...he treats ALL of his employees very well.  He has created a family atmosphere.  I am still low on the totem pole, and I have been there almost 10 years now....we don't have much turnover.