The Supreme Court Is Wrong!

[Sandy Eggo]

Two points -

1. You don't know who those people are unless they had their voting registration and "handout" application stapeled to their sleeves.

2. You were there

[The Troll]

based upon my recent encounters at walmart, I would have to say they are full of democrats....mostly people who refuse to work for a living and are getting a free ride from our governemnt...THAT is the crowd I see there...

   I am quite sure you have seen Democrats working and buying at Walmart.

  Most likely they are people who have lost the good paying jobs at American companies and people who don't have the money.  After your clown George W. Bush and his Repubican buddies destroyed this country.

   With over a 50% turnover in employees at Walmart, if it wasn't for Republican bad times.  I don't think you would see people lined up to get a job there.

   The average income of Walmart employees is $6,500 a year.  You call this living.  I call this slavery.

  I serve my time in the Army like millions and millions of other men and women, so you can have your freedom.  If you want to shop at Walmart and support the Chinese Army and the Chinese people, have at it.  Did you serve any time in the services.  Hummmmmmmm.  Did you serve this country in any other way, other than bitching.

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[Henry Hawk]

 

   I am quite sure you have seen Democrats working and buying at Walmart.

  Most likely they are people who have lost the good paying jobs at American companies and people who don't have the money.  After your clown George W. Bush and his Repubican buddies destroyed this country.

   With over a 50% turnover in employees at Walmart, if it wasn't for Republican bad times.  I don't think you would see people lined up to get a job there.

   The average income of Walmart employees is $6,500 a year.  You call this living.  I call this slavery.

  I serve my time in the Army like millions and millions of other men and women, so you can have your freedom.  If you want to shop at Walmart and support the Chinese Army and the Chinese people, have at it.  Did you serve any time in the services.  Hummmmmmmm.  Did you serve this country in any other way, other than bitching.

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Who says that all jobs have to support a family?........if walmart is a career path then there are bigger problems.....the vast majority of those jobs are excellent for 2nd jobs or for 2nd income jobs....such as a wife, whose spouse has a full time job....my sister in law works there and likes if just fine...her husband makes a good living, and she has flexible hours and makes 10 bucks an hour........there are thousands of people who need jobs like this.......without them, what would they do?.........not all places should have to support a family.....

with that said, I want to be clear I am not a Walmart fan, nor do I shop there very often.....I honestly do agree we should try to support those who try to keep America first....I go to Target or Kohls first and foremost.

[Moonglow]

Kohl's clothing is made in veitnam. not vermont.

[Sandy Eggo]

Not only that but why do you think they're any better than Walmart, Henry? They still undercut the small business man that the conservatives claim to care so much about.

While I'm sure that many of the employees of Walmart and other such stores would like to be fortunate enough to have other incomes, the reality is that is not the case. That's another demographic that the conservatives could care less about...the working poor.

[Henry Hawk]

Not only that but why do you think they're any better than Walmart, Henry? They still undercut the small business man that the conservatives claim to care so much about.

While I'm sure that many of the employees of Walmart and other such stores would like to be fortunate enough to have other incomes, the reality is that is not the case. That's another demographic that the conservatives could care less about...the working poor.

That is a big crock Sandy, Conservatives have done more for the working poor than the democrats ever have...all the democrats have done is keep them dependent on the government for thier money.......conservatives promote a free enterprise enviroment to encorage everyone to be self reliant.....they way thing SHOULD be....I know I teach my kids to be self reliant, not for them to figure out a way to have government take care of them....I find it more compassionate to teach a person to fish rather than give them a fish...this has/is a democrat stategy to demonize conservatives as uncompassionate, to garner votes by "buying" off and taking advantage of the poor.  The way I see it, the democrats have kept the poor - poor, to ensure their votes, by promising them they will take care of them....well, this theory has been around for 50 years and we still have poor folks...

What exactly has liberals done to promote small business?

[Sandy Eggo]

Words are meaningless, Henry. How is supporting the bastardation of the Constitution to benefit corporations helping the small business owner?

You think that you're doing your part by shopping at Kohls and Target. You're blissfully unaware that people go to those stores and work their asses off to attempt to support their families. These are the ones who need assistance, but can't get it because they do have a job. But conservatives like to lump them into the very much smaller group of people who choose to be dependant on public assistance.

Next time you go to Walmart, tell the cashier to get off his ass and get a real job if he wants to eat. That's what you mean to say.

I suggest that you volunteer with a homeless outreach or food bank in a position where you can have conversations with the people who use them. It'll be eye-opening and fill in the gaps that your conservative social education have left blank.

Teach a man to fish - lip service considering that education isalways the first budget to get cut. Who does that effect? The children depending on the public school system to "teach them to fish".

[Henry Hawk]

Words are meaningless, Henry. How is supporting the bastardation of the Constitution to benefit corporations helping the small business owner.

You think that you're doing your part bt shopping at Kohls and Target. You're blissfully unaware that people go to those stores and work their asses off to attempt to support their families. These are the ones who need assistance, but can't get it because they do have a job. But conservatives like to lump them into the very much smaller group of people who choose to be dependant on public assistance.

Next time you go to Walmart, tell the cashier to get off his ass and get a real job if he wants to eat. That's what you mean to say.

I suggest that you volunteer with a homeless outreach or food bank in a position where you can have conversations with the people who use them. It'll be eye-opening and fill in the gaps that your conservative social education have left blank.

first of all, I HAVE and DO work in homeless shelters AND food kitchens..(that is the mean ol Christian in me)..and have had plenty of conversations with these folks...and by far all they want is a chance.....

and the VAST majority of those folks at walmart and kohls are there becasue they WANT to be....they are glad they have that job....Does ALL jobs HAVE to pay money to be a soul provider of a family?.....

now you got me wanting to defend these guys....stop and think about the low cost day to day items "poor" people need to buy that Walmart provides to them....
How about the $3.4 Million that Walmart  just donated for grants to help people get back to work?.....
or the $467 million it gave to various charities in the US this past year?.....
93,000 children were fed through a donation to the Boys and Girls Club of America's summer feeding program...
Forty-thousand teachers were awarded $100 gift cards as part of Walmart's Teacher Rewards program, which helps offset expenses for classroom supplies...
Sixty-nine food banks across America received refrigerated trucks from the Walmart Foundation to help increase their capacity....
and more than 90,000 bottles of water, 24,000 blankets, 27,000 tents and more than 20,000 units of medical supplies like gauze and surgical masks were donated in response to the Haiti earthquake, to name a few.

the have employed 1.4 million in the United States....
average, full-time hourly wage for Walmart stores is $11.75...
among the nation's largest providers of private sector health insurance....

so, look at the big picture.....here.

[Sandy Eggo]

You talk out of both sides of your mouth, Henry. I suspect b/c you can't keep up with what you've already said.

[Henry Hawk]

You talk out of both sides of your mouth, Henry. I suspect b/c you can't keep up with what you've already said.

no, YOU just make me to want to defend... ...I think I just like to argue.. ..I need help!!!! 

[The Troll]

first of all, I HAVE and DO work in homeless shelters AND food kitchens..(that is the mean ol Christian in me)..and have had plenty of conversations with these folks...and by far all they want is a chance.....

and the VAST majority of those folks at walmart and kohls are there becasue they WANT to be....they are glad they have that job....Does ALL jobs HAVE to pay money to be a soul provider of a family?.....

now you got me wanting to defend these guys....stop and think about the low cost day to day items "poor" people need to buy that Walmart provides to them....
How about the $3.4 Million that Walmart  just donated for grants to help people get back to work?.....
or the $467 million it gave to various charities in the US this past year?.....
93,000 children were fed through a donation to the Boys and Girls Club of America's summer feeding program...
Forty-thousand teachers were awarded $100 gift cards as part of Walmart's Teacher Rewards program, which helps offset expenses for classroom supplies...
Sixty-nine food banks across America received refrigerated trucks from the Walmart Foundation to help increase their capacity....
and more than 90,000 bottles of water, 24,000 blankets, 27,000 tents and more than 20,000 units of medical supplies like gauze and surgical masks were donated in response to the Haiti earthquake, to name a few.

the have employed 1.4 million in the United States....
average, full-time hourly wage for Walmart stores is $11.75...
among the nation's largest providers of private sector health insurance....

so, look at the big picture.....here.

  Either you're are pulling our legs or you are the most stupid, lying sonuvabitch I have ever heard.

   Just once I would like for you to read one book.  "Supercapitalism by Robert Reich" and just see how charitable Walmart is.

  I wonder how many people who are working  part time for Walmart, would like to have a 40 hour week job with some benefits.  I'll bet all of them.

  Another book I would like for you to read is "What's wrong with Kansas".  The poorest county in Kansas with an average income.  Now this the average, from the highest to the lowest wage.  The average income for the  people was, less than $10,0000 per year and they voted for George W. Bush and the Republican Party 92%.  They voted against their own interest.  This is totally stupid.

  I have meet a lot of people from the smartest to the most stupid dumbasses in the world.  But you sure have got the last group bet all to hell.   You have in the past talked about how poor you, your wife and your kids were and are.  How you worked off your ass for low pay and you of all people defend the most greedy corporations in the country.  You have got to have your head up you ass.  I sure glad you think your god is truly taking good care of you.  I think you need to fire him, he sure hasn't done a good job for you, especially in the mind.   I think you only have one person on this forum, who think you're right.

  Your charity, I bet is the the ladies who knocked on my door.  They were Seventh Day Adventist.  They wanted me to give money so they could send kids to their summer camp. I asked if they took any kids from other churches.  They said. no.  I told them, that if my kid couldn't go, I sure wasn't going to pay for their kid to go. 

  Just like I said before it's got to be brain death.

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[Henry Hawk]

What do you want Troll?.....to close down ALL Walmarts?......what law have they broken?...........What do you propose to fix this so-called problem?.............Do you think allowing a Union in Walmart would fix everything?......forcing them to pay MORE would drive up the costs and would more than likely cause them to shut down or lay off folks.....

I honestly understand your concern....it would be a sweet world if we could pay everyone a great wage....keep things inexpensive...supply great benefits to EVERYONE.....but the free market don't always work that way....would you prefer we turn into a socialist form of Government?....."From each according to his ability, to each according to his need (or needs)"....is THAT a slogan you think is best for this nation?

Hank

[LOsborne]

Walmarts?......what law have they broken?

Well, for starters, the Fair Labor Standards Act, various state Wage and Hour Laws (they don't pay for mandatory overtime, remember?), the Family and Medical Leave Act, in California the child labor laws, in Pennsylvania privacy laws by putting a video-cam in the employee restrooms,  and so forth -- not to mention a whole gobnoxious bunch of international law violations.

There is lots and lots of documentation out there. Just google "Walmart employment law violations" and plan to spend the night reading. Keep your calculator handy too, because the settlements total into the billions!

Now, stop and think. What kind of profit is Walmart pulling down, that it is cheaper for them to pay these fines and settlements, than to obey the law?

[LOsborne]

..."From each according to his ability, to each according to his need (or needs)"....is THAT a slogan you think is best for this nation?

That sounds frighteningly close to something your Jesus would have said, Hank. What is your problem with it? Really ... how many millions can one greedy SOB really spend in a year?

I know all about the "enjoying the fruits of my labor" argument. But when we talk about sums this high, there was no labor involved.

You say you have worked in soup kitchens and homeless shelters. I never have. But about a decade ago I took a tidy chunk of change off a guy in an executive suite who thought his position in the company entitled him to special privileges with women employed by the company. For the record, this idiot did nothing to earn his exalted position and salary except choose his grandparents wisely.

I was awarded damages ... and since I really hadn't suffered any tangible, monetary damage, I decided to let that cash make a real difference to women who did need it. I gave it to a foundation that works with single mothers, instructing them to pay child care for three years, for as many women as possible who wanted to get off Welfare, but couldn't afford to have someone watch the kids. The money went to four women. Ten years later, three of them are still working, and taking no government assistance. I'm real happy about that. As for the fourth ... hell, nobody wins 'em all.

This is what government assistance should do. The sad reality is that government assistance is structured so these women couldn't get off. They would have had to leave their children unattended. Getting a job meant losing the assistance, and no entry level job pays enough to provide both day care and food and shelter.

And that was the seed of my revolutionary plans. Poor people can't pay for all they need to work, and rich people won't. "From each according to ability... to each according to need" is not a bad starting point -- even if Donald Trump won't be able to fund another sleazy hotel.

[The Troll]

What do you want Troll?.....to close down ALL Walmarts?......what law have they broken?...........What do you propose to fix this so-called problem?.............Do you think allowing a Union in Walmart would fix everything?......forcing them to pay MORE would drive up the costs and would more than likely cause them to shut down or lay off folks.....

I honestly understand your concern....it would be a sweet world if we could pay everyone a great wage....keep things inexpensive...supply great benefits to EVERYONE.....but the free market don't always work that way....would you prefer we turn into a socialist form of Government?....."From each according to his ability, to each according to his need (or needs)"....is THAT a slogan you think is best for this nation?

Hank

Henry, Henry, if you would just read or listen to the book, "Supercapitialism" by Robert Reich.  Go to your local library connected to Anderson Library and get the book or the sound recording and borrow or buy yourself a cheap CD player, I got mine at Best Buy, and listen to the book.  If your have a boring job to do and you don't have to use your ears, you won't believe how fast time will go by.  Or just sitting your recliner with your eyes closed, listening, isn't to bad either.

  In the book, a research group on Walmart, said that Walmart could give all of their employees a $3 raise, the cost to Walmart would be only 3% of the total income.  Just think, Walmart's pay to their employees, total cost of labor, is only 3% of their take.  Theating employees right wouldn't cost you hardly nothing.

   Unionization of Walmart would sure change things for their employees.  First of all a raise.  Second, the next time one of their asshole managers took one of their people in to chew out their ass or fire them, the bastard would get to meet the union committeeman and the employee would not have to stand alone before the boss.  You surely know how it feels to stand alone in front of the asshole boss, all alone, by yourself, for something you don't deserve.  Third there would be a lot more 40 hour full time jobs with benefits.

  After the unionization of Walmart the other big box stores wouldn't be far behind.  Also you boss will have to give you a little more, so you won't quit and go get a union job for more money.

  Henry, I know all lot of your research is to try and back up what you say.  Try, just one time.  Goggle in "people who hate walmart" there is 45 pages of site you can go to for information.  Just see how good your precious Walmart really is.  Just one time, give the workers here in America a break.  They have been beat up enough by the predatory corporations.

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