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Started by Henry Hawk, October 12, 2009, 04:43:14 PM

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Exterminator

#45
October 19, 2009, 12:53:45 PM
Not sure what world you live in but insubordination is insubordination.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

me

#46
October 19, 2009, 07:06:04 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 19, 2009, 12:35:03 PM
NOW, A Firefighter is suspended for refusing to peel an American flag sticker from his locker.....

Firefight Over the Red, White and Blue


Seriously....WTF?
That sucks big time.   
Trump 2020

Y

#47
October 19, 2009, 10:19:59 PM
Ya' know, Hank and Me, I like both of ya', but this is a prime example why several people here don't take y'all seriously and deliver a swift kick to your shins every chance they get.  Sometimes even mese'f.   :biggrin:

Y'all don't ever appear to, or be able to, think critically beyond where you're being led around through the ring in your nose.
©  Whamma-Jamma - all rights reserved

Law of Logical Argument - Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.  ;)

"You've probably noticed that opinion pollsters go out of their way to include as many morons as possible in surveys ... I think it's dangerous to inform morons about what their fellow morons are thinking. It only reinforces their opinions. And the one thing worse than a moron with an opinion is lots of them." -- Scott Adams

In other words: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.  ;)

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair

"Hitler is gone, but if the majority of our fellow citizens are more susceptible to the slogans of fear and race hatred than to those of peaceful accommodation and mutual respect among human beings, our political liberties remain at the mercy of any eloquent and unscrupulous demagogue." -- S. I. Hayakawa

Y

#48
October 19, 2009, 10:48:13 PM
Instead of the propaganda, here's what you should have absorbed from the article:

1. "A new department rule mandates that all stickers and statements -- union, cartoon and political -- be stripped from lockers after several offensive and racist images showed up in the firehouse."

Key words: rule, mandates, all

2. "The chief came out and said 'You have to remove your stickers,' I said 'No disrespect chief, but I'm not taking the flag off,'" Krapf recounted. He says the officer then asked him to leave...."

Key points: refusal to obey direct order from a superior enforcing the rule, consequences ensued

Since youse 'servs (read reactionaries) are repeatedly tellin' tha' world how big y'all are on personal responsibility and consequences of one's actions, one just might have supposed y'all would have been rakin' tha' guy over tha' coals instead of applaudin' him and actin' like it's PC run all amok.

Things that make ya' go "hmmmmmmmm!'

:biggrin:
©  Whamma-Jamma - all rights reserved

Law of Logical Argument - Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.  ;)

"You've probably noticed that opinion pollsters go out of their way to include as many morons as possible in surveys ... I think it's dangerous to inform morons about what their fellow morons are thinking. It only reinforces their opinions. And the one thing worse than a moron with an opinion is lots of them." -- Scott Adams

In other words: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.  ;)

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair

"Hitler is gone, but if the majority of our fellow citizens are more susceptible to the slogans of fear and race hatred than to those of peaceful accommodation and mutual respect among human beings, our political liberties remain at the mercy of any eloquent and unscrupulous demagogue." -- S. I. Hayakawa

me

#49
October 20, 2009, 02:16:33 AM
Um, I thought the flag represented America not a  union, cartoon, or politics.
Trump 2020

LOsborne

#50
October 20, 2009, 07:54:41 AM
Quote from: me on October 20, 2009, 02:16:33 AM
Um, I thought the flag represented America not a  union, cartoon, or politics.

That particular flag is still a sticker and therefor part of the great subset all, as in "department rule mandates that all stickers and statements..."

Henry Hawk

#51
October 20, 2009, 08:19:21 AM
GUYS, you are missing my point.....I read the entire story...and saw the rules..........MY point is, WHAT is wrong with America.............for GOD's sake, when did it become OFFENSIVE for the American flag to be displayed?  I do not think of the American flag as being "political".....WFT? seriously.......have we stooped so low, that showing your patriotism has become offensive?........I know rules are rules and completely believe that we got to have them and they should be respected....but common f'ing sense has completely left this earth....it is just my opinion, and I think SOME things, are worth standing up for....and I think this fireman has honorably done so....
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

LOsborne

#52
October 20, 2009, 08:25:55 AM
Henry, if the department exempted stickers of the American flag, they would be forced to exempt the flags of other nations. Now suppose some wag decided to make letters out of a bunch of those rectangular flags, and spelled out "the fire chief sucks" in flag letters. Would it be offensive if he did it in lots of different flags, but not if all the flags were Stars and Stripes? Tacky decoration is tacky decoration. Exactly how would you word the rule permitting the American flag to prevent such an occurrence?

Exterminator

#53
October 20, 2009, 08:31:10 AM
Quote from: Y on October 19, 2009, 10:48:13 PM
Things that make ya' go "hmmmmmmmm!'

That you took the time to explain it succinctly and they still don't get it would be one of those things.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

followsthewolf

#54
October 20, 2009, 08:44:43 AM
Quote from: LOsborne on October 20, 2009, 08:25:55 AM
Henry, if the department exempted stickers of the American flag, they would be forced to exempt the flags of other nations. Now suppose some wag decided to make letters out of a bunch of those rectangular flags, and spelled out "the fire chief sucks" in flag letters. Would it be offensive if he did it in lots of different flags, but not if all the flags were Stars and Stripes? Tacky decoration is tacky decoration. Exactly how would you word the rule permitting the American flag to prevent such an occurrence?

Well stated. :yes:
Ignorance and fanaticism are ravenous. They require constant feeding.

Bo D

#55
October 20, 2009, 09:03:03 AM
Did anyone else notice this?



Looks like the guy had removed another sticker. Wonder what it said? Is there a pattern here?
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."  Carl Sagan

Henry Hawk

#56
October 20, 2009, 09:08:54 AM
Quote from: LOsborne on October 20, 2009, 08:25:55 AM
Henry, if the department exempted stickers of the American flag, they would be forced to exempt the flags of other nations. Now suppose some wag decided to make letters out of a bunch of those rectangular flags, and spelled out "the fire chief sucks" in flag letters. Would it be offensive if he did it in lots of different flags, but not if all the flags were Stars and Stripes? Tacky decoration is tacky decoration. Exactly how would you word the rule permitting the American flag to prevent such an occurrence?

I'm just saying, common sense does not exist.....we live in a day where being politically correct is over riding practical thinking....tacky decoration has been in every firehouse across this nation ever since we had firehouses....we simply need to remember, this IS the United States of America....and displaying the flag of this nation SHOULD not be something ANYONE should be ashamed of..........and for me, I don't think it is appropriate to compare displaying OTHER flags along with the US flag as long as we are on THIS soil....it just leads me to the though, what is WRONG with America?...
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Exterminator

#57
October 20, 2009, 09:29:08 AM
The only common sense lacking in this discussion is your own.  If you are told to do something by your superior at work and you refuse, you should expect and be prepared for the consequences.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Exterminator

#58
October 20, 2009, 09:29:45 AM
Quote from: Olias on October 20, 2009, 09:03:03 AM
Did anyone else notice this?



Yep, I think the guy is full of krapf!   :biggrin:
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Henry Hawk

#59
October 20, 2009, 10:16:05 AM
Quote from: Exterminator on October 20, 2009, 09:29:08 AM
The only common sense lacking in this discussion is your own.  If you are told to do something by your superior at work and you refuse, you should expect and be prepared for the consequences.

I agree 1000% with you.......my point is, that I simply find it sad, where these kind of rules exist....(and I'm talking about the flag not the other crap....) and I have respect for the fireman who is taking a stand on this.....it may seem trivial to some.......it is not like he has a picture of Bush or Clinton or Obama or Reagan or his mother ...just a simple American Flag.

and I believe he DID accept the consequences...


this just in...

Firefighter's Flag to Stay Put
.....

A Chester City firefighter who was suspended for displaying an American flag sticker on the front of his locker will not have to remove the decal after all.

After two hours of negotiations, fire and union officials reached a resolution Monday afternoon to allow James Krapf and any another Chester County firefighter to display the red, white and blue on stationhouse property.

"There was never an intent to desecrate the American flag. Firefighter Krapf has been reinstated to duty as agreed upon by the parties," said Fire Commissioner James Johnson during a press conference.

Johnson suspended Krapf last week, without pay, after disobeying an order to remove the American flag from his locker. A department policy prohibited firefighters from posting personal items on lockers after a recent poster was found to be offensive.

The battalion chief was also asked to remove the sticker but he too refused.
More than 25 protesters showed up for a rally in support of Krapf outside the firehouse on East 14th Street Monday morning.

Officials also ruled that Krapf would be allowed to come back to work on Thursday.

Krapf said he expects to be reimbursed for a day and a half in back pay.


NOW this is the America I love.....the man stood up for the flag as a marine and as a fireman/citizen....even his 'superior' knew this was wrong....but Krapf stayed true to his heart and got a victory....

this makes my day!!... :yes:
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW
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