What is wrong with America?...

[Henry Hawk]

So I guess it should be ok to carry this non-weapon onto an airplane as well; huh?

We are not talking about an airplane....we are talking about a 6 year old boy who took it to school to eat lunch with it, because he was proud of it....and the morons suspended him.

[Exterminator]

We are not talking about an airplane....we are talking about a 6 year old boy who took it to school to eat lunch with it, because he was proud of it....and the morons suspended him.

As has been said before, zero tolerance is zero tolerance.  If you breeders would mind your little hell-spawn, it wouldn't be an issue.   

[me]

That's when they took a nice hunk out of our liberties and freedom, so yeah it does have a role in it.

Exactly what freedom did it take away from you?  I didn't miss any freedom...I could still disagree with the government, listen to which ever show I wanted to whether it be Fox, CNN or NBC, listen to what ever talk show host I wanted to, call the president an idiot or a nazi if I chose to do so, or draw and publish an unfavorable caricature of him without fear of reprisal, hold a gathering protesting policies and carry a sign depicting the President as a nazi or worse.
 
Now I couldn't carry a weapon on board a plane,  talk about blowing up a major structure in the US or any other country, have contact with terrorists, stash huge sums of money that just magically appeared, or things of that nature but I wasn't planning on doing any of that anyway so which of those things were you planning on doing that it interfered with?  What part of the Patriot Act changed your life and caused you to miss out on a freedom?

[Exterminator]

What part of the Patriot Act changed your life and caused you to miss out on a freedom?

Can you make a private phone call, send a private email or expect that the government cannot search you or your property without due process?

[Henry Hawk]

Can you make a private phone call, send a private email or expect that the government cannot search you or your property without due process?

yes I do it all the time...and have YET to have myself or my property searched by the government

[Exterminator]

yes I do it all the time...

How do you know?

[Locutus]

LMAO!!  I was going to ask that exact same question. 

[Henry Hawk]

well, I send emails...make private phone calls...and I have NEVER had anybody kick my door in because of it.....

It was YOUR question.....I answered it.

[Locutus]

I think you're missing Ex's point HH.

[Henry Hawk]

I think you're missing Ex's point HH.

The point IS.........if you are planning on blowing up an building or killing the president or anything that is harmful to the Nation........you may very well be brought in for questioning or paid a visit by someone OUT doing the job of protecting America.....but, you can send all the emails and phone calls you want otherwise....

[me]

Can you make a private phone call, send a private email or expect that the government cannot search you or your property without due process?

They have had that capability for a long time and used it.  The only thing that was implemented was to allow quick action if something suspicious was observed or overheard.  It did not affect the average citizen in the least, only those who transferred large sums of cash with no traceable means of acquisition or those who made overseas calls to known terrorist areas continually.

[Exterminator]

They have had that capability for a long time and used it.  The only thing that was implemented was to allow quick action if something suspicious was observed or overheard.  It did not affect the average citizen in the least, only those who transferred large sums of cash with no traceable means of acquisition or those who made overseas calls to known terrorist areas continually.

You're naive.

[Palehorse]

You're naive.

They are naive! 

[me]

Did either of you have any problems because or the Patriot Act?  Now I know you were subject to searches at air ports but that was for your safety. What if the guy in front of or ahead of you had a gun or explosive?  What if their luggage contained a plastic or liquid explosive?  What if the guy across the street from you was buying up large quantities of some poison substance to put in the cities water supply?  Shouldn't activities like that be watched when noticed?  Oh, and the bank thing....Someone goes to the bank and wants to transfer a huge sum of money overseas shouldn't there be some sort of explanation for that, shouldn't the government know where it is going and why?  Those are some of the things that were being done by the Patriot Act not prying into ordinary citizens lives and causing them problems other than a few inconveniences by having to wait in line at an airport or some such thing.  The Patriot Act just enabled the Government to act quickly rather than having to wait until they could get ahold of a judge which may have made all the difference in the world whether something was stopped before being carried out.  Now what the current administration does with it is up to the current administration since it was left in place. 

[Palehorse]

Did either of you have any problems because or the Patriot Act?  Now I know you were subject to searches at air ports but that was for your safety. What if the guy in front of or ahead of you had a gun or explosive?  What if their luggage contained a plastic or liquid explosive?  What if the guy across the street from you was buying up large quantities of some poison substance to put in the cities water supply?  Shouldn't activities like that be watched when noticed?  Oh, and the bank thing....Someone goes to the bank and wants to transfer a huge sum of money overseas shouldn't there be some sort of explanation for that, shouldn't the government know where it is going and why?  Those are some of the things that were being done by the Patriot Act not prying into ordinary citizens lives and causing them problems other than a few inconveniences by having to wait in line at an airport or some such thing.  The Patriot Act just enabled the Government to act quickly rather than having to wait until they could get ahold of a judge which may have made all the difference in the world whether something was stopped before being carried out.  Now what the current administration does with it is up to the current administration since it was left in place.

That is the point, we wouldn't know about it until they'd trumped up something to charge us with. They can read your e-mails, tap your phones, and pretty much do whatever they want to if someone even thinks terrorist. And it doesn't take much to get them to think it either.

Buy a couple hundred gallons of diesel fuel and some fertilizer, and you'll see.

And yes it has caused me a big problem; the ammo shortages.