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Obama Slams Health Care Critics For Spreading "Outlandish Rumors"

Started by Sandy Eggo, August 09, 2009, 12:37:59 PM

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Palehorse

The taxation for "cadillac coverage" is upon the company not the individuals. . .The increased individual taxes are on those making 250,000 AGI and above; NOT below. Most of you have nothing to worry about surrounding that.

The Feds are going to SUPPLEMENT medicaid payments to the states 100% for the next few years and at 90% after that.

The extra taxation on life science/biometric/medical device manufacturers . . . (Lets watch you guys blame this health care bill when Roche Diagnostics moves out of the country!  :rolleyes: HINT: That has been in the works since 2005, and was going to happen either way).

Companies that administer health care will have to hire more people to help with the increase in work /  claims, and expand in size - creating jobs. 35 million more people now will be covered.

Nobody's going to jail unless it is company CEO's (large and small) who refuse to provide the mandated coverage for their employees.

No more exclusionary practices claiming "pre-existing conditions" .

Now comes the bevy of sour grape mash that the opponents will be spewing for the next 3 years. . .  :rolleyes:
R.I.P. - followsthewolf - You are MISSED! 4/17/2013

That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville

Henry Hawk

well, the way I see it, we may have very well ruined the greatest healthcare that MOST Americans have enjoyed for decades...and along the way, will more than likely bankrupt America....THIS was NOT the way to fix a problem for the 10's of thousands (the POTUS's figures) that NEEDED assitance....there was many options that was ignored that could have fixed many problems without bankrupting this nation....and if you think this won't...well, Like I have been saying, TIME will TELL the truth...THIS IS going to change our economy, but I fear it will make it much worse....this is the largest entitlement program EVER, during an extremely bad economy...(near 10% unemployed)...

it is nothing more, than a gov take over of the HC Industry...period....this plan calls for the hiring of 17,000 IRS agents to over see this...it will also be similar to the regulating of our utilities...resulting in HIGHER costs to the taxpayer...the tax increases that are needed to make this work, WILL effect the average middleclass American (Mark my words)....

IF, this plan was IS as great as the democrats believe, then WHY did they have to 'force' this by using legislative tricks and bribing such as Nebraska, Louisiana and the Unions...it IS very corrupt the way this was handled and done...there is NO denying this, it is well proved.....also, Abortion was PROMISED by Obama NOT to be implemented into this bill, yet it was until the eleventh hour, and I have doubts that it will NOT be part of our taxpaying dollars before it is all said and done...

again, time will tell us the truth.....if this is a good thing, then I expect good things to ALL Americans very soon....

I for one, believe this is a very sad day in the history of this Country... :no:

there, I have said about all I'm going to say on this....I'm going to watch and observe over the next few months....and see.



"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Palehorse

Quote from: Palehorse on March 22, 2010, 05:04:10 PM
. . .
Now comes the bevy of sour grape mash that the opponents will be spewing for the next 3 years. . .  :rolleyes:

Like I said. . .
R.I.P. - followsthewolf - You are MISSED! 4/17/2013

That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville

Exterminator

Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Henry Hawk

Quote from: Palehorse on March 23, 2010, 12:16:01 PM
Like I said. . .

well, it is not like you are the amazing kreskin with that statement......call it what you want, but my statements are shared by millions across this country....and justifiably so.....

again, PH, lets see this amazing changes and hopes that are promised....there are no repubs to blame what-so-ever.......this is ALL Obama now, not even Bush to blame at this point in time.....this is HIS economy now....I would think that YOU would have a few sour grapes with this admin...because jobs are NOT jumping into the boat for millions of Americans right now...and, many economist do not think this is going to stimulate it, as a mater of fact, I think it is going to make jobs even MORE scarce.....

and before you jump on me, I know it may take a little time, but we do not have a lot of time before this economy takes a toll.....

a for what it is worth, I hope things DO get better, because I have too much at stake right now for things to get worse, so I would much rather eat crow than lose my job.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

The Troll

   SHAME ON YOU!!!!!! our Govrnt needs to let US make the decisions that best suite OUR needs. I have many of Glenn Beck's books. That man has "real balls" thats why he is on FOX network now. 

  Doc, Henry and "ME", All of you people who watch Fox News and watch and read Glen Beck.  I want you to read the book.  It can be found in libraries in book form and sound recording, free to people who are pressured by to many taxes.  Or you can purchase it in a book stores.

  It is about a Republican man who raised to being the White House counsel to Richard Nixon.  A man who followed the Republican Party to the very end and into prison, his name is John Dean.  I dare you to get his book, "Broken Government" and read at least the start to the end of the 3rd chapter.  If you got the "REAL BALLS" to read  this book,  I'll watch Glen Beck show one hour for each one of you, who reads it.  Eventho I have an allergy problem with chalk dust.

The Troll   ;D :wink: :yes:

Exterminator

Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

The Troll

Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 12, 2010, 08:26:50 AM
MY children are MY responsibility......they are MINE to raise as "I" see fit.
Henry if you are a Jehovah Wittiness and you won't give your child a blood transfusion and he died.  I would like to be on the jury that tries you  for murder.  I would convict you.

  I am glad you are able to take care of them.  In the Taliban Teabagger Republican Party world and one of your kid got sick and you weren't there, one of your old Teabagging friend would tell them to get off their sickly ass and get a job.  Just like two of your Teabaggers, told an old man with Parkinson disease to get off his ass and get a job.  "Get off you ass and get a job.  We don't give healthcare over here."  I don't know what they meant by "over here".

  DAMN, it's so hard to keep a civil tongue, when you talk to Henry.

  The Troll. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :razz: :razz: :laugh: :laugh: :yes:


Palehorse

Well, just like a bad penny, this "debate" just doesn't seem to want to die down or go away; and no one is willing to wait and see the results. Now 14 states have filed suit stating that the health care reform bill is unconstitutional.

Given the historical record of the SCOTUS, which this will surely end up before, one is inclined to strongly believe they will dismiss this (these) suits as invalid. Historical decisions by the wise-fools clearly indicate this would be the case, however; given their recent stance in providing constitutional rights to corporations, one can hardly be sure of anything those people will think these days. . .
R.I.P. - followsthewolf - You are MISSED! 4/17/2013

That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville

Palehorse

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

- Preamble to the Constitution of the United States of America
R.I.P. - followsthewolf - You are MISSED! 4/17/2013

That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville

kimmi

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Albert Einstein


It is called CHANGE people!!  Be okay with it.  It won't hurt you anymore than the boogie man of insanity that exists now!  :rolleyes:
Take time to smell the roses.

Sandy Eggo

Exactly, I'm feeling like I'm stuck in a bad and on-going episode of "The Trailer Park Chronicles"  Disfunctional families? Ha! We are THE are the disfunctional country!

Seriously, it's discouraging that people can't see past petty politics long enough to give something positive a chance and even further get the facts so that they can actually recognize the positive.
Only after the last tree has been cut down. Only after the last river has been poisoned. Only after the last fish has been caught. Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten. - -Cree Indian Prophecy

"Women who strive to be equal to men lack ambitition" -- anonymous

Henry Hawk

Quote from: Sandy Eggo on March 24, 2010, 08:31:27 AM

Seriously, it's discouraging that people can't see past petty politics long enough to give something positive a chance and even further get the facts so that they can actually recognize the positive.

and I think it is discouraging that people can't see the potential damage that this so-called positive "change"...on the surface it DOES seem rosey, but LOOK at the cost of this and how exactly is it going to impact the economy....THAT is my concern, first and foremost.....if the economy does not get better and better REAL soon, we are going to have more than a "heathcare" concern....
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Sandy Eggo

Only after the last tree has been cut down. Only after the last river has been poisoned. Only after the last fish has been caught. Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten. - -Cree Indian Prophecy

"Women who strive to be equal to men lack ambitition" -- anonymous

The Troll


  What piece of sky do you want us to pick up.  Over Washington, over a landfill, over an oil refinery, over a recycling center, over wild fires.  Please pick your piece of sky you want us to look at.

The Troll, :confused: :confused: