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Obama Slams Health Care Critics For Spreading "Outlandish Rumors"

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Quote from: Olias on October 12, 2009, 03:36:09 PM
And the insurance companies don't have an agenda? Who stands to profit most if healthcare reform fails?
The people.   :razz:
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Locutus

Quote from: me on October 12, 2009, 04:26:16 PM
The people.   :razz:

I'm all ears waiting for you to explain that one.  Of course, I'm assuming that since you used this --> :razz:, one won't be forthcoming any time soon.
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Henry Hawk

Quote from: Exterminator on October 12, 2009, 03:40:44 PM
The agenda of providing affordable health care to all Americans?  WTF are they thinking?   :rolleyes:

the vast majority of Americans already have affordable health care......we are talking about twenty to thirty million that need REAL help.....so what is the agenda?  Taxing more Americans to pay for something that is not needed for ALL Americans....
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
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Bo D

Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 12, 2009, 04:37:27 PM
the vast majority of Americans already have affordable health care......we are talking about twenty to thirty million that need REAL help.....so what is the agenda?  Taxing more Americans to pay for something that is not needed for ALL Americans....

Affordable care? $15,000 a year in premiums alone for me is NOT affordable. And that doesn't even count the procedures and prescriptions the INSURANCE COMPANY won't pay for!
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."  Carl Sagan

followsthewolf

$12,000/yr. in premiums.

Is that affordable for the "average American"?

Of course, if you're lucky enough to have corporate benefits that defray the costs, you are the "in" crowd.
Ignorance and fanaticism are ravenous. They require constant feeding.

Henry Hawk

Gallup: 80% are ok with current health care

I'm not saying we don't need to do something, but believe me or not.......MOST Americans are satisfied....





"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Palehorse

Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 12, 2009, 04:37:27 PM
the vast majority of Americans already have affordable health care......we are talking about twenty to thirty million that need REAL help.....so what is the agenda?  Taxing more Americans to pay for something that is not needed for ALL Americans....

You just do not get it do you? You are already paying in the form of higher visit/procedure costs and escalating deductible levels, not to mention exclusionary policies surrounding the payment! If you call 15k a year out of pocket in premiums and 2k per person deductibles "affordable", there is no hope for you. You have already over-dosed on the kool aid!

Quote from: Olias on October 12, 2009, 04:59:46 PM
Affordable care? $15,000 a year in premiums alone for me is NOT affordable. And that doesn't even count the procedures and prescriptions the INSURANCE COMPANY won't pay for!

Yup! And don't forget the quarterly blood tests for liver/kidney function and chem-screens that they do not pay for either! At $475 bucks per quarter that's just short of 2 grand a year you'll be shelling out once you are required to take maintenance medicines; on top of the prescription costs!
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 12, 2009, 08:24:44 PM
Gallup: 80% are ok with current health care

I'm not saying we don't need to do something, but believe me or not.......MOST Americans are satisfied....


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Henry Hawk

and if you think it is NOT going to cost you .... when the Gov "fixes" this....you are being delusional....the GOV is NOT going to make this better.....mark my words....

let's have this chat in a few months and see HOW much better our lives are.....
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Bo D

Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 12, 2009, 08:24:44 PM
Gallup: 80% are ok with current health care

I'm not saying we don't need to do something, but believe me or not.......MOST Americans are satisfied....

Instead of linking to some blog which shows only PART of the poll results, why don't you link to the poll itself?

http://www.gallup.com/poll/123149/Cost-Is-Foremost-Healthcare-Issue-for-Americans.aspx

Interesting that your link headline is "Gallup: 80% are OK with current health care"

While the actual headline on the Gallup site is "Cost Is Foremost Healthcare Issue for Americans"

Some quotes from the REST of the poll.

"Close to 4 in 10 Americans (38%) -- by far the largest percentage mentioned for any issue -- cite the cost or affordability of healthcare as the nation's biggest healthcare problem."

"One in four insured Americans say reductions in what their insurance plan covers is a major problem for them; slightly fewer (18%) say insurance paperwork is a major problem. These figures compare with 42% of insured Americans who say rising healthcare costs pose a major problem."

"Close to 4 in 10 Americans (38%) -- by far the largest percentage for any issue -- explicitly cite the cost or affordability of healthcare as the nation's biggest healthcare problem."

"After cost generally, the next-highest-ranked issues are the number of uninsured Americans (mentioned by 15%), followed by insurance companies and "insurance company greed" (13%)."



"Bottom Line

Gallup finds that the biggest healthcare concern to Americans, in terms of both the nation and their own personal lives, is cost. The cost factor is deeply troubling on a personal level to the uninsured population, but also ranks as the top concern of the insured."

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."  Carl Sagan

Henry Hawk

I have said all along, I thing we need some reform..........but, the fact is the majority of Americans are satisfied..........so, we dont need to overhaul the WHOLE thing, we need to fix the high costs associated with it....

tort reform is one way and it is being ignored in the Bill....
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Exterminator

You really don't know anything about it and are only parroting what you've heard from your rightwing demagogues.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Bo D

Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 13, 2009, 09:34:00 AM
I have said all along, I thing we need some reform..........but, the fact is the majority of Americans are satisfied..........so, we dont need to overhaul the WHOLE thing, we need to fix the high costs associated with it....

tort reform is one way and it is being ignored in the Bill....

You really just don't get it.

First you post a blogger who claims
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 12, 2009, 08:24:44 PMGallup: 80% are ok with current health care

I'm not saying we don't need to do something, but believe me or not.......MOST Americans are satisfied....

and then "the fact is the majority of Americans are satisfied"

Satisfied with what?

When are you going to realize that this debate is not about health care quality, but the cost of that health care?

Damn!!! I love my doctor and the care I receive!!! I get the best care health care available! But I won't be able to afford it much longer.
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."  Carl Sagan

Henry Hawk

Quote from: Exterminator on October 13, 2009, 09:45:20 AM
You really don't know anything about it and are only parroting what you've heard from your rightwing demagogues.

that is ALWAYS you and your ilk's retort...........suck it.

I know every bit as much about what is going on as you do.....except I see that this is NOT a good thing that they are trying to pass....and you see it as a good thing, because you believed in the Parroting of BHO....you listen to the left wing kooks and accept it as what they tell you.....believe it or not, I have read many parts of the bill, and what I do understand is, that they are NOT clear with their language and leave a lot of loopholes the could open up a can of worms....
Have YOU read it?
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Bo D

Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 13, 2009, 09:57:51 AM
that is ALWAYS you and your ilk's retort...........suck it.

Back off, Bubba. Don't call me an ilk!  :rant:

Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 13, 2009, 09:57:51 AM
I see that this is NOT a good thing that they are trying to pass....

I asked you this before and you never answered. Can you quote the portion(s) of the bill that you think "is NOT a good thing" and tell me why?

And please don't post some blogger's words ... I want to hear yours, please.
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."  Carl Sagan

Exterminator

Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 13, 2009, 09:57:51 AM
that is ALWAYS you and your ilk's retort...........suck it.

That's the sting of the truth you're feeling.

Quote...believe it or not, I have read many parts of the bill...

Not.

Quote...and what I do understand is, that they are NOT clear with their language...

This is where that whole literacy issue comes into play.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.