Obama Slams Health Care Critics For Spreading "Outlandish Rumors"

[Henry Hawk]

That it will not increase government spending.

Paul Ryan says:

My plan, The Patients' Choice Act, ensures universal, affordable health care for all Americans.  Under The Patients' Choice Act, patients and doctors would control their health care decisions - not insurance companies and federal government bureaucrats.  Equally important, my proposal does not raise taxes or increase government spending, but uses the money we currently spend more effectively.

Now, is he lying?....who knows...THAT is what he is selling his Bill on....PROVE him wrong!...

And before you get all jiggy....I am not promoting this one over any other at this time....I am pointing out that there ARE alternatives.....that have been introduced, but seems as if they are NOT being discussed.....WHY IS THAT?...hmmmm

[Exterminator]

Paul Ryan says:

My plan, The Patients' Choice Act, ensures universal, affordable health care for all Americans.  Under The Patients' Choice Act, patients and doctors would control their health care decisions - not insurance companies and federal government bureaucrats.  Equally important, my proposal does not raise taxes or increase government spending, but uses the money we currently spend more effectively.

Now, is he lying?....who knows...THAT is what he is selling his Bill on....PROVE him wrong!...

Only if you agree to my conditions.

And before you get all jiggy....I am not promoting this one over any other at this time....I am pointing out that there ARE alternatives.....that have been introduced, but seems as if they are NOT being discussed.....WHY IS THAT?...hmmmm

Perhaps because they really don't effect any real change at all?

[Henry Hawk]

Only if you agree to my conditions.

all I will admit is that Paul Ryan does not know what he is talking about IF you COULD prove that he is wrong....(which you can't)

and I will ALWAYS be around to discuss WHATEVER I want on here (unless the admin thinks differently), despite YOUR lack of ability to understand what a REAL conservative view or ideology brings to a discussion....

[Bo D]

All this came about because Bo said the republicans did not offer one...and THAT is wrong...(or a lie, to use YOUR terminalogy)....

Then he said there is NO record of these bills ever being introduced....again...wrong.

My bad. I couldn't find them on Thomas locator.

[Bo D]

Under The Patients' Choice Act, patients and doctors would control their health care decisions - not insurance companies and federal government bureaucrats. 

As long as there are HMO's, insurance companies WILL control health care decisions.

See my post in this thread.

[me]

IMO insurance is a nice name for extortion but it is, unfortunately, a necessary evil in a lot of cases. I would still rather give my money to a private company than the government. 

[LOsborne]

IMO insurance is a nice name for extortion ...

Damned well told, sister. I am bemused by all this talk of "choice." If you have insurance, your choices are limited by the doctors and hospitals approved by your insurance plan (ever notice that everything is initially denied, awaiting more info from your doctor?) If you don't have insurance, your choices are limited by what you can afford.

Don't think the Medicaid/Medicare folks skate either. Just try to find a doctor who is accepting new Medicare patients.

One part of what some of those four hundred people my company employs do, is investigate Medicare fraud. The patients are not the ones perpetrating the fraud. It's the doctors, the hospitals, and the skilled nursing facilities.

As simplistic as it sounds, the problem is profit. So long as there is money to be made providing healthcare, it's going to be a dirty business. That is the only reason I lean toward the public option. The government never made a nickel doing anything.

[Henry Hawk]

Ron Paul: How To Solve The Healthcare Crisis


very interesting...if you got 7 minutes....

[Bo D]

Ron Paul: How To Solve The Healthcare Crisis


very interesting...if you got 7 minutes....

No offense, Henry, but does anyone READ anymore? I hate those damned Youboob editorials.

[Henry Hawk]

No offense, Henry, but does anyone READ anymore? I hate those damned Youboob editorials.

I read quite a bit...but I also love hearing from the horses mouth sometimes...I can work and listen to stuff like this and keep productive.

[Exterminator]

all I will admit is that Paul Ryan does not know what he is talking about IF you COULD prove that he is wrong....(which you can't)

and I will ALWAYS be around to discuss WHATEVER I want on here (unless the admin thinks differently), despite YOUR lack of ability to understand what a REAL conservative view or ideology brings to a discussion....

Thanks, Henry...you've answered the question exactly as we expected you to.  'Nuff said...

[Exterminator]

No offense, Henry, but does anyone READ anymore? I hate those damned Youboob editorials.

Consider your audience.

[Exterminator]

I would still rather give my money to a private company than the government.

Given the recent bail outs the banks and insurance companies have gotten, perhaps you'd like to re-think that strategy.

[Henry Hawk]

Thanks, Henry...you've answered the question exactly as we expected you to.  'Nuff said...

what....do you have a mouse in your pocket?

[Exterminator]

what....do you have a mouse in your pocket?

Nope, but we'll ask around...

Who here on the forum fully expected that Henry doesn't have a clue what he's talking about...that he hasn't read any of the health care proposals offered by either democrats or republicans and he is just spouting off rhetoric that he's been fed from his insurance-funded right-wing whack-job radio personalities?