Obama Slams Health Care Critics For Spreading "Outlandish Rumors"

[Palehorse]

http://www.whitehouse.gov/realitycheck/

Kavita Patel, who works with Senior Adviser Valerie Jarrett and who worked for years before as a physician, debunks the myth that reform will mean a "government takeover" of health care or lead to "rationing." To the contrary, reform will forbid many forms of rationing that are currently being used by insurance companies.

Melody Barnes, the President's Director of the Domestic Policy Council, debunks the malicious myth that reform would encourage or even require euthanasia for seniors.

Matt Flavin, Director of Veterans and Wounded Warrior Policy, explains that nothing in health insurance reform will affect veterans' access to the care they get now. To the contrary, the President's budget greatly expands coverage for veterans who have been denied access in the past.

Christina Romer, Chair of the Council of Economic Advisers, debunks the myth that health insurance reform will hurt small businesses. To the contrary, reform will ease the burdens on small businesses and help level the playing field with big firms who pay much less to cover their employees on average.

Robert Kocher of the National Economic Council debunks the myth that Health Insurance Reform would be financed by cutting Medicare benefits. To the contrary, reform would simply eliminate waste and unnecessary subsidies to insurance companies.

Linda Douglass of the White House Office of Health Reform debunks the myth that reform will force you out of your current insurance plan or force you to change doctors. To the contrary, reform will expand your choices, not eliminate them.

[Exterminator]

If you actually believe that OUR government is capable of successfully running OUR healthcare, then maybe YOU should be writing for the Tales From The Crypt as a docudrama...

You're right, Henry, Our government consists of nothing but a bunch of buffoons incapable of administering anything.  Take, for example, the postal service...when is the last time you heard of anyone mailing a letter and it actually being delivered to its intended recipient?   The whole thing is in freakin' shambles...the roads and bridges are impassable, none of the traffic lights work, the electric grid fails constantly, police and fire departments never respond (because the 911 system is so fu@ked up!)...even our military is in such ruin that a handful of high school kids with sling shots could probably take out a whole brigade.  Don't even get me started on the mismanagement of our nuclear arsenal...I'm surprised the terrorists aren't firing our own missiles at us...yet.  And what's up with all of those other agencies?  The FDA doesn't prevent people from getting food poisoning any better than the FAA prevents planes from constantly crashing into each other and the CDC?  People still die...if they were worth a shit, they'd have put a stop to that a long time ago!  No, it's mass chaos and we certainly don't need to add fuel to that fire by adding something as huge and complicated as health care coverage for those who don't have it to the mix!  What the hell are they thinking?

What a douche... 

[Exterminator]

Some of you are so high and mighty as to take offense at words a person may utilize in expressing themselves. The position you are taking is one of the most selfish and offensive I've ever encountered in my lifetime. You would deny care to those in need, deny a person the right to live their lives out within a home they worked the lions share of it to pay for, turn away a dying child because of the immigration status of its parents; and for what? To keep yourself fat and sassy and to hell with humanity. How can you look at yourself in the mirror?

One day the bad karma you are so lavishly spreading toward the least of us will return to you, and the tables will be turned. Karma is all that will keep you from suffering the same fate as that which you thrust upon the rest of us; those in your current position being mindful of it and possessing the compassion you so sorely lack.

Hear, hear.

[LOsborne]

Don't even TRY to tell my YOU read this WHOLE thing, and understand it....

Oh give me a break. Just because you have problems with comprehension doesn't mean everyone does. Yes, I read it. Or rather them. They have been available since mid-July. There is some pork in each version, but I assume it will go away when both houses try to reconcile the two versions.

Since you claim to carefully weigh all sides of an issue, I am appalled that you are too lazy to read the bills. I guess it's more fun to skimp the research and parrot the "talking points" of Rush and Beck.

[Anne]

First of all, don't count on it being any cheaper. Once you hit medicare/aid you'll have to purchase supplemental insurance just to keep things where they are now. And wait until you see how much that crap costs you. . .

Secondly, no one is saying you have to replace what you have. The point is coverage; if you do not have it this would be provided. If you choose you can switch.

Thirdly, you say you don't want to pay for those whose immigration status is illegal, but the fact is you are already paying for it! (This would formalize the process and unify the charges, level of service, etc. for everyone who falls under the coverage). That 37 k you spent for an appendectomy will be 40k next year once the write offs are factored in for the uninsured and illegals that are rendered care for humanitarian reasons this year. (Part of the driver for this bill).

In addition, all those huge deductions that they apply your diagnostic testing toward would be out the window when it comes to testing. That would have to be covered by whatever insurance you choose. Period. One of the largest obstacles toward proactive maintenance care are the thousands of dollars in testing that insurers force us to pay for by applying it toward those huge deductibles. And it hits most of us at the time of our lives when our income is fixed, when we can least afford it.

And if you think you won't need medicare supplement insurance you'll be just one of two medical emergencies from being one of those people the POTUS is talking about losing their homes. Even if it is paid for. Think you can just file bankruptcy? Better think again. In some situations under the Chimp's changes to the bankruptcy laws, they will put you out in a heartbeat.

Finally, the whole reason we need to do this is to control the skyrocketing costs that are being driven by the fact hospitals in many cases are forced to care for those who are uninsured or have an immigration status of illegal. It doesn't matter if the reasons they do are legislated or due to humanitarian driven policy, it happens and should happen and every single one of us already is paying for it. And those programs out there that subsidize healthcare procedures and medications for those who are presently not covered, who do you think is paying for them? If it is a private organization they subsist on donations, if it is a corporate entity the costs associated with the subsidization are factored into the drug prices for those who can pay, or written off within the corporate tax strategy, reducing the level of taxes they pay. (Who's making up the difference? We are). You're paying already but you just don't know it. . .or don't want to.

Some of you are so high and mighty as to take offense at words a person may utilize in expressing themselves. The position you are taking is one of the most selfish and offensive I've ever encountered in my lifetime. You would deny care to those in need, deny a person the right to live their lives out within a home they worked the lions share of it to pay for, turn away a dying child because of the immigration status of its parents; and for what? To keep yourself fat and sassy and to hell with humanity. How can you look at yourself in the mirror?

One day the bad karma you are so lavishly spreading toward the least of us will return to you, and the tables will be turned. Karma is all that will keep you from suffering the same fate as that which you thrust upon the rest of us; those in your current position being mindful of it and possessing the compassion you so sorely lack.

Get a grip. Geeze.  I know when or if we lose his GM coverage, which hasn't happened yet, we will have to buy supplemental coverage.  We have already looked into it and the best policy we have found is around $150 apiece. I guess you think it is not acceptable to be grateful for the coverage we have. You are right, I don't want to pay for the health coverage of illegal aliens. I am not in the habit of rewarding bad behavior, as in breaking the law. And don't think for a moment that a dying child would be turned away from an emergency room, you conplain about misleading statments and lies of conservatives and then you throw in something like that. You don't know me or what I do to or for people. Don't be so judgemental.

[LOsborne]

... I don't want to pay for the health coverage of illegal aliens. I am not in the habit of rewarding bad behavior, as in breaking the law. ...

But that is exactly what the self-insured do now. Illegals go to the emergency room. They don't pay for it. Guess who does?

[Anne]

Of course we do and I do not have a problem with emergency care, I have a problem with all the other stuff. I don't think they should be rewarded with free health care of a routine nature and all the other things they get. They are breaking the law every day by being here illegally and being rewarded for it. I have no problem with legal immigrants, I just don't like the laws of our country being thrown in our face.

I have read parts of one of the health care bills and I think you would have to be a lawyer to remotely understand it. And contrary to President Obama's statement yesterday the AARP does not endorse the bill, it has stated that it has not found anything detrimental the medicare in the bill, but is not endorsing the bill as a whole.

[Palehorse]

. . . Don't be so judgemental.

Is that not what you are doing by making statements against the content of this bill without even reading it?

[Exterminator]

Oh give me a break. Just because you have problems with comprehension doesn't mean everyone does.

Exactly!

Since you claim to carefully weigh all sides of an issue, I am appalled that you are too lazy to read the bills. I guess it's more fun to skimp the research and parrot the "talking points" of Rush and Beck.

Not only on this subject but on every subject for which he offers "his" opinion...nothing more than sppon-fed drivel.

[Anne]

Is that not what you are doing by making statements against the content of this bill without even reading it?

Maybe so against a bill, not a person. I have read parts of the bill, it is so convoluted that everything could have two meanings or none at all. It is written for lawyers and I don't happen to have one on retainer.

[Exterminator]

I have read parts of the bill, it is so convoluted that everything could have two meanings or none at all.

Example?

[Anne]

Page 106 line 19: the Commissioner shall establish a mechanism whereby there is an adjusment made of the premium amounts payable among QHBP offering entities offeing Exchange-participating health benefits plans of premiums collected for such plans that takes into account (in a manner specified by the Commissioner) the differences in the risk characteristics of (continues to page 107) individuals and employers enrolled under the different Exchange-participating health benefits plans offered by such entities so as to minimize the impact of adverse selection of enrollees among the plans offered by such entities.

Page 146 line 3: (A) in case of individual coverage, not less than 72.5 percent of the applicable preminum (as defined in section 4980B(f)(4) of such Code, subjecty to paragraph (2) of the lowest cost plan offered by the employer that is a qualified health benefits plan (or is such current employment-based health plan;.....

Page 167 line 19: Health Care Coverage. (a) Tax Imposed. -In the case of any individual who does not meet the requirements of subsection (d) at any time during the taxable year, there is hereby imposed a tax equal to 2.5 percent of the excess of (continues to page 168)(1)the taxpayer's modified adjust gross income for the taxable year, over (2)the amount of gross income specified in section 6012(a)(1) with respect to the taxpayer.

I found these ythree passages by just scrolling through the first couple hundred pages and stopping at random. Can I figure out what these particular passages mean? Yes, if I had the time and was willing to spend the money on ink to print the whole thing out. I don't think most people have the time,to do that. If President Obama wants the majority of the population to understand this bill then they need to make it easy to understand.

[Exterminator]

I found these ythree passages by just scrolling through the first couple hundred pages and stopping at random. Can I figure out what these particular passages mean? Yes, if I had the time and was willing to spend the money on ink to print the whole thing out. I don't think most people have the time,to do that. If President Obama wants the majority of the population to understand this bill then they need to make it easy to understand.

The majority of the population are idiots and I don't think that it's any more necessary that them to understand this bill than it is for them to understand the tax code or even their own insurance policies from a private carrier.  Since when does the President of the United States have to pander to the lowest common denominator?

[Locutus]

The majority of the population are idiots and I don't think that it's any more necessary that them to understand this bill than it is for them to understand the tax code or even their own insurance policies from a private carrier.  Since when does the President of the United States have to pander to the lowest common denominator?

He has to carry his weight.  We pander to the lower denominators every day around here.   

[me]

The majority of the population are idiots and I don't think that it's any more necessary that them to understand this bill than it is for them to understand the tax code or even their own insurance policies from a private carrier.  Since when does the President of the United States have to pander to the lowest common denominator?

So in other words you don't understand what it is saying either you're just taking the word of congress for what it means.  Don't you think it's just a little bit important to know for sure what we're getting in for rather than find out after it's too late?