Obama Slams Health Care Critics For Spreading "Outlandish Rumors"

[me]

I have had no insurance for period for 11yrs.  A friend of mine in Muncie has no insurance either and had 3 heart attacks within a 5 month period a couple of years ago and got in a program which furnishes her drugs and medical care for nothing and she is being well taken care of.  There are things out there if one knows where to look.

[Palehorse]

Already do that, haven't ever complained. Was very glad to have it when the 37,000 dollar hospital bill came for my husbands appendectomy and stay in ICU. He goes on medicare next month, maybe it will be cheaper for us then. We had GM insurance and paid no premiums out of pocket but always always paid for full price for doctor visits, immunizations, tests done at the doctor's office and for many years did not have eye, dental or drug coverage. (People forget that,) Now we pay premiums, and yes I know they are very low, have deductables (which aren't so low) and our drug coverage costs have triples and frankly I still would rather have this than what the government is proposing until they can explain it fully to me. I sure as heck don't want to pay for non citizens health care. Let their own country pay for it.

First of all, don't count on it being any cheaper. Once you hit medicare/aid you'll have to purchase supplemental insurance just to keep things where they are now. And wait until you see how much that crap costs you. . .

Secondly, no one is saying you have to replace what you have. The point is coverage; if you do not have it this would be provided. If you choose you can switch.

Thirdly, you say you don't want to pay for those whose immigration status is illegal, but the fact is you are already paying for it! (This would formalize the process and unify the charges, level of service, etc. for everyone who falls under the coverage). That 37 k you spent for an appendectomy will be 40k next year once the write offs are factored in for the uninsured and illegals that are rendered care for humanitarian reasons this year. (Part of the driver for this bill).

In addition, all those huge deductions that they apply your diagnostic testing toward would be out the window when it comes to testing. That would have to be covered by whatever insurance you choose. Period. One of the largest obstacles toward proactive maintenance care are the thousands of dollars in testing that insurers force us to pay for by applying it toward those huge deductibles. And it hits most of us at the time of our lives when our income is fixed, when we can least afford it.

And if you think you won't need medicare supplement insurance you'll be just one of two medical emergencies from being one of those people the POTUS is talking about losing their homes. Even if it is paid for. Think you can just file bankruptcy? Better think again. In some situations under the Chimp's changes to the bankruptcy laws, they will put you out in a heartbeat.

Finally, the whole reason we need to do this is to control the skyrocketing costs that are being driven by the fact hospitals in many cases are forced to care for those who are uninsured or have an immigration status of illegal. It doesn't matter if the reasons they do are legislated or due to humanitarian driven policy, it happens and should happen and every single one of us already is paying for it. And those programs out there that subsidize healthcare procedures and medications for those who are presently not covered, who do you think is paying for them? If it is a private organization they subsist on donations, if it is a corporate entity the costs associated with the subsidization are factored into the drug prices for those who can pay, or written off within the corporate tax strategy, reducing the level of taxes they pay. (Who's making up the difference? We are). You're paying already but you just don't know it. . .or don't want to.

Some of you are so high and mighty as to take offense at words a person may utilize in expressing themselves. The position you are taking is one of the most selfish and offensive I've ever encountered in my lifetime. You would deny care to those in need, deny a person the right to live their lives out within a home they worked the lions share of it to pay for, turn away a dying child because of the immigration status of its parents; and for what? To keep yourself fat and sassy and to hell with humanity. How can you look at yourself in the mirror?

One day the bad karma you are so lavishly spreading toward the least of us will return to you, and the tables will be turned. Karma is all that will keep you from suffering the same fate as that which you thrust upon the rest of us; those in your current position being mindful of it and possessing the compassion you so sorely lack.

[me]

Mom is paying $225pr month for her supplemental insurance and it covers everything her medicare doesn't which is quite a bit.  She does not have prescription coverage but only pays $4 for her prescriptions because of where she gets her medication. 
My biggest problem with this whole thing is I don't understand why, if its so important, don't they take the time to get it right and let congress read the bill and ask questions about the parts no one, including the congressmen, understand.  Figure out where all this money is going to come from before they pass anything and don't, as Gitner suggested, just raise the national debt ceiling.  He is trying to do too much too fast and not thinking into the future and the effect it will have on our long term economy.  There are just too many unanswered questions.   

[LOsborne]

I'm sick of this! Here, read it (them) all you smug pundits, and then you can talk about it.

Senate version
http://help.senate.gov/BAI09A84_xml.pdf

House version
http://edlabor.house.gov/documents/111/pdf/publications/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf

I don't think any of you have read these documents. But I have. So I really do have something to base this statement on:

Me, Henry, you have your heads so far up your butts you are deaf, blind and suffocating!

Ya see, there really isn't any provision in either bill for euthanasia, or encouraging euthanasia. There is the same criteria on transplants that has always been there -- to wit: you have to have a good chance of survival before wasting the donated organ.

As for raising my taxes, I already pay for Medicare, Medicaid, the indigent and the illegals. The only people who will be added are those who are currently self-pay. I have no problem with that, so long as the hospitals and doctors are not allowed to charge one price for the insured, and twice as much for those who self-pay. That's what happens now.

I don't want to read another absurd word unless you can swear to me that you have read both bills. I did.

[Elaine]

there are programs out there that allow the medicare recipient to obtain supplemental health care and the state picks up the tab.  there is not a monthly premium paid by the medicare recipient, and the 100.00 or so deduction is no longer deducted by social security, so the monthly check is increased by that amount.

have your mother check out these programs, two that come to mind are Evercare and Wellcare.  You will need to have her check the coverage for her maintenance drugs to see what program is best for her at the pharmacy.  Prescriptions can range from zero copay to about 3.00 each.
Open enrollment begins soon, so it is a good time to check.

I believe the wellcare also includes one set of eyeglasses and one dental visit each year, in addition to regular medical coverage.  Depending of course on the State and County of residence, these could be an excellent way to reduce her costs for needed medication, Her Medicare part D would be replaced by that program, and administered by the insurance carrier.

This is not a good plan for people who are on the Tri Care plan after retirement, and sometimes not good for GM plans that are grandfathered in with no changes.  But it sure wouldnt hurt to check it out.

[Palehorse]

there are programs out there that allow the medicare recipient to obtain supplemental health care and the state picks up the tab.  there is not a monthly premium paid by the medicare recipient, and the 100.00 or so deduction is no longer deducted by social security, so the monthly check is increased by that amount.

have your mother check out these programs, two that come to mind are Evercare and Wellcare.  You will need to have her check the coverage for her maintenance drugs to see what program is best for her at the pharmacy.  Prescriptions can range from zero copay to about 3.00 each.
Open enrollment begins soon, so it is a good time to check.

I believe the wellcare also includes one set of eyeglasses and one dental visit each year, in addition to regular medical coverage.  Depending of course on the State and County of residence, these could be an excellent way to reduce her costs for needed medication, Her Medicare part D would be replaced by that program, and administered by the insurance carrier.

This is not a good plan for people who are on the Tri Care plan after retirement, and sometimes not good for GM plans that are grandfathered in with no changes.  But it sure wouldnt hurt to check it out.

And each one of us is currently paying for these "free programs" one way or another; increased taxes and/or increased prices. . . Draining social program coffers only forces increased taxation rates for the middle class, as it is now. That is being proposed to be changed. . . Read the damned bill for crying out loud!

[LOsborne]

Read the damned bill for crying out loud!

Yes! Yes! Yes! I gave you the frickin' links. You have no excuse.

[Elaine]

And each one of us is currently paying for these "free programs" one way or another; increased taxes and/or increased prices. . . Draining social program coffers only forces increased taxation rates for the middle class, as it is now. That is being proposed to be changed. . . Read the damned bill for crying out loud!

well we are paying in a way, but the federal government pays a portion and the state pays a portion, if there are copays, they are minimal.  this program is not for people who do not work, or dont have a history of work, they are for people who receive social security. 

i want to see healthcare changed, costs reduced, insurance available to americans, but i do worry that the federal government cannot administer them. 

[Palehorse]

. . .
i want to see healthcare changed, costs reduced, insurance available to americans, but i do worry that the federal government cannot administer them.

And private insurers have done such an outstanding job at getting this done?! 

[LOsborne]

... but i do worry that the federal government cannot administer them. 

Well then, who did you have in mind? Halliburton?

[me]

there are programs out there that allow the medicare recipient to obtain supplemental health care and the state picks up the tab.  there is not a monthly premium paid by the medicare recipient, and the 100.00 or so deduction is no longer deducted by social security, so the monthly check is increased by that amount.

have your mother check out these programs, two that come to mind are Evercare and Wellcare.  You will need to have her check the coverage for her maintenance drugs to see what program is best for her at the pharmacy.  Prescriptions can range from zero copay to about 3.00 each.
Open enrollment begins soon, so it is a good time to check.

I believe the wellcare also includes one set of eyeglasses and one dental visit each year, in addition to regular medical coverage.  Depending of course on the State and County of residence, these could be an excellent way to reduce her costs for needed medication, Her Medicare part D would be replaced by that program, and administered by the insurance carrier.

This is not a good plan for people who are on the Tri Care plan after retirement, and sometimes not good for GM plans that are grandfathered in with no changes.  But it sure wouldnt hurt to check it out.

Thanks for the info I'll have her check that out.

[Bo D]

I don't want to read another absurd word unless you can swear to me that you have read both bills.

It's a lot easier for them to just whine on incessantly.

[Palehorse]

24 (a) FINDINGS.—The Senate finds that—
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O:\BAI\BAI09A84.xml [file 1 of 6] S.L.C.
1 (1) the Federal employees health benefits pro2
gram under chapter 89 of title 5, United States
3 Code, allows Members of Congress to have afford4
able choices among competing health benefit plans;
5 (2) the Federal employees health benefits pro6
gram ensures that the health benefit plans available
7 to Members of Congress meet minimum standards of
8 quality and effectiveness;
9 (3) millions of Americans have no meaningful
10 choice in health benefits, because health benefit
11 plans are either unavailable or unaffordable; and
12 (4) all Americans should have the same kinds
13 of meaningful choices of health benefit plans that
14 Members of Congress, as Federal employees, enjoy
15 through the Federal employees health benefits pro16
gram.
17 (b) SENSE OF THE SENATE.—It is the sense of the
18 Senate that Congress should establish a means for all
19 Americans to enjoy affordable choices in health benefit
20 plans, in the same manner that Members of Congress have
21 such choices through the Federal employees health bene22
fits program.

From the senate bill

[Henry Hawk]

I'm sick of this! Here, read it (them) all you smug pundits, and then you can talk about it.

Senate version
http://help.senate.gov/BAI09A84_xml.pdf

House version
http://edlabor.house.gov/documents/111/pdf/publications/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf

I don't think any of you have read these documents. But I have. So I really do have something to base this statement on:

Me, Henry, you have your heads so far up your butts you are deaf, blind and suffocating!

Ya see, there really isn't any provision in either bill for euthanasia, or encouraging euthanasia. There is the same criteria on transplants that has always been there -- to wit: you have to have a good chance of survival before wasting the donated organ.

As for raising my taxes, I already pay for Medicare, Medicaid, the indigent and the illegals. The only people who will be added are those who are currently self-pay. I have no problem with that, so long as the hospitals and doctors are not allowed to charge one price for the insured, and twice as much for those who self-pay. That's what happens now.

I don't want to read another absurd word unless you can swear to me that you have read both bills. I did.

Don't even TRY to tell my YOU read this WHOLE thing, and understand it....

There is enough carbley-goo BS in it....I DO NOT TRUST THIS GOVERNMENT....THEY BETTER take the time to be damn sure EVERYBODY understands WHAT this is going to mean to each and every one of us.....I have been buzzing through this every evening....and there is a whole lot in there that CAN make one extremely skeptical on what their intent IS.....

I will say this, I do NOT particularly CARE for OUR Government RUNNING anything that is going to effect my life anymore than they ALREADY do...........giving them MORE power over our lives is a bad, bad thing....as it is now, I think is better than what I may very well become....I think we, overall have it much better than other countries that HAVE social or universal or whatever you want to call it....State run healthcare....

I want this debate to continue for a while.....Prove that these "Pundits' are wrong with their analyses...we need to be SURE this is the right thing to do.........there will be ONE hell of a revolution IF this is remotely wrong......I know you will NEVER get 100% of the people to go along with anything...........I think the protests that are going on is a very alarming sign that we HAVE to slow down......

BIG Government is A BAD THING...if you think THAT comment is absurd or I am "just whinning incessantly"...then get used to it.....I'm not backing down for a second.....and I will fight this administrations desire to control the sheeple....until I die.   I'm not alone on this, and statistic's support it.......the growing deficits, with massive increases in spending........it is ALL happening TOO damn FAST......slow the F... down....take a breath.

[Exterminator]

Tell us, Henry. What EXACTLY is in the bill to be pissed off about?

Notice how he completely avoided the question?  He bitches the loudest and has absolutely no idea what he is even bitching about beyond whatever Rush told him.  What a freakin' sheep.