WAKE UP!!

[Henry Hawk]

If the younger generation of parents would raise their kids the way they were raised, with or without the bible, you would see a rise in morals, consideration and respect in people.  And if the moral majority would quit trying to rule the media, you might find less resistance to censorship.  These are just my opinions though.

But, you see, the vast majority of our forefathers WERE Bible, believin, God-fearin people...I think, for many families, each generation, becomes less, and less, dependant upon the word of God....imo

[Henry Hawk]

I think we began to see moral decay when we stopped prayer in schools.  That few minutes to repeat the pledge of allegiance and the pledge to the christian flag along with the lords prayer bonded classmates together.  How can you hate someone you just prayed with?
Communities were more secluded, news was provided by the republican or democratic newspaper, depending on the party of your preference, and the 6 oclock news told us all about the world.

We believed in government, we believed that God fearing men led our country against the enemy. That all slid from our hands because of the murder of John Kennedy, the slaying of Martin Luther King, the never was called a war in Viet Nam, and maybe the final blow to the fragility of government was Watergate.

We have elected people with questionable values and given them keys to the house.  We have agreed with their insanity, we have not argued with ridiculous laws and decisions and we have not stopped them  and  they have bankrupted us.

When we lived for the simple things, prayer in the morning, prayer before a meal, during sickness, at birth, at death, and as we ended our day, we had a communion with God.   Now we are too busy, or too shy, or too worried about  who we will offend, and we have forgotten to say thanks and ask blessings.  

Love you all--me  

Well said, DF!

[pariann]

I thought she said it well too. I just didn't want to wrap my head around political views. LOL

[Henry Hawk]

The more I think about it, Damfast, really, really nails it on the head and shines light on my whole point...

[Gryphon]

No one has EVER stopped prayer in school. There is no law that prevents little Timmy from praying anytime he wants.
What has been frowned upon, and I agree...is the school-led denominational prayer. If you wouldnt want your childs pubilc school teacher leading him in a prayer that is not of your religion, then you can understand why this is a poor idea.

[Gryphon]

But, you see, the vast majority of our forefathers WERE Bible, believin, God-fearin people...I think, for many families, each generation, becomes less, and less, dependant upon the word of God....imo

I dont mean this with disrespect...but do you suppose its because our increased knowledge of science, etc. has rendered much of whats in the Bible into the realm of fairy tales?

[Henry Hawk]

I dont mean this with disrespect...but do you suppose its because our increased knowledge of science, etc. has rendered much of whats in the Bible into the realm of fairy tales?

Prove that statement G....I can show you where much of what is in the Bible CAN be supported by scientist...

Let me rephrase, many parts of the Bible, that some scientist refute as truths, can be supported by scientific explanations...and supported by scientist.

[Gryphon]

My thoughts on this go deeper than I have time to delve into now...and I will do my best to answer more indepth later...but as a starter

Two of each kind of animal on a boat.
People turning into pillars of salt
Surviving within a fish for days.
The idea that POOF we all materialized, as is, from nothing. (mind you, I find it plausible that God may have used some variation of evolution to create us)
The idea that the earth is only a few thousand years old.
etc.

[awol]

wow, how did i miss this opportunity?

Things seem pretty slow around here, so, I'm gonna get vocal with an issue that really pierces my heart.

I believe America's rejection of God is the reason we are now seeing the moral decay in our society.

then how do you explain the corruption being shown daily by those on the religious right?

Sexual immorality, divorce, drug abuse are only a few things that come to mind that have gone way out of control, since the 1960's, when the liberal movement reared it's ugly head. 

ahh yes.  the chants of peace and love.  protesting the war.  can't have any of that.

Abortions became an acceptable choice. 

i would argue that abortion was more acceptable before.  it was just more dangerous, and less talked about.

Sex, between a husband and wife, became a novelty.

yeah, marriage does that.

Drug abuse is only a misdemeanor in our court system, if that. 

hmmm.  i don't have the time to research all of them, but i believe that certain substances are felonys just to have in your system.  and manufacture/cultivation and distribution are felonys for even just pot.

Marriage is a throw-away commodity.

it's a commodity???  how much could i get for one?

I truly feel, if this country does not, repent into putting God first, the decay will mot stop until it has totally destroyed this nation.

well.  you guys had eight years of that, and see what happened?  you are complaining more than ever!

[Henry Hawk]

Bout time poopiehead!!

First of all...

Just because, you believe in Jesus, and love America, does not make you the "religious right"....and just because some politcally motivated politicians use "Christian Values" as a prop for their agenda, change the fact that many true Christians, happen to truely believe that, God needs to be first and formost, or there will be consequences to pay..

secondlly, the 60's did suck, I was around during that time, everybody was a little goofed up, not just the hippies, but the government was too....but, that does not change the fact, that taking lsd or heroin and havin babies was an okay thing.....the whole "morals" thingy was pretty much trashed....

and killing a human fetus, was and is wrong, no mater how you paint the picture.....especially back in the 60's when it was done, simply because it was a choice...instead of being accountable for thier actions, it was an easy way out of their responsibilities, whack the baby, and move on.....

I have been married 23 years, and sex is STILL what it was 23 years ago.....5 pregancies, and 5 children later....life is sweet...

research all you want about felonies and drugs....I know many people who has been busted for drugs and the got a smack on the back of the hand....I have a friend who was deep into selling drugs, and he spent 90 days and was released...so, I don't think we have gotten too tough on this yet...

and my point is  on marriage is that people will jump right into a marriage with NO since of commentment, when things get tough, get a lawyer and call it quits....the vows taken before God, Should mean something.....

and you like to say the "you guys had eight years.....I say, big f'n deal.....those guys are a bunch of freakin politicians, it is up to us americans who love Jesus, to stand up for what he taught us, and live on those principals....(I'm standing on my computer desk right now, gettin all jiggy)

Seriously though, I feel as a Christian, there are many problems that could be aliveated, if Christians started acting like we ar supposed too, and I have been just as guilty as the next guy....but, I'm trying.....

[IYT]

that taking lsd or heroin and havin babies was an okay thing.....the whole "morals" thingy was pretty much trashed....

Heroin is one thing, worshipping false idols and such, but LSD is very revealing, a catharsis of sorts.  LSD facilitates evolution, both spiritual and mental, by putting the user in a state of vulnerable confusion.  Only then can we see God, even if it is a "hallucination."  Do you think magic mushrooms growing on dung was a mistake or a gift?

[Henry Hawk]

Heroin is one thing, worshipping false idols and such, but LSD is very revealing, a catharsis of sorts.  LSD facilitates evolution, both spiritual and mental, by putting the user in a state of vulnerable confusion.  Only then can we see God, even if it is a "hallucination."  Do you think magic mushrooms growing on dung was a mistake or a gift?

all I can say is...... ...you have a way with words....

[Mr442]

Last report I read about US divorce rates, I believe Southern Baptists were leading the way with other religions following.  We heathen atheists had one of the lowest rates. 

The number of atheists in prison was real low as well, with those claiming to be Christian filling the largest number of cells.

I could find those surveys if I had too, I just don't want to take the time right now.

I was raised almost entirely out of the god loop and so were our children.  I made my choice based on reason and facts as did they.  Science and truth will win out every time over superstition and myth.

[Henry Hawk]

Last report I read about US divorce rates, I believe Southern Baptists were leading the way with other religions following.  We heathen atheists had one of the lowest rates. 

The number of atheists in prison was real low as well, with those claiming to be Christian filling the largest number of cells.

I could find those surveys if I had too, I just don't want to take the time right now.

I was raised almost entirely out of the god loop and so were our children.  I made my choice based on reason and facts as did they.  Science and truth will win out every time over superstition and myth.

Mr.442...with no disrespect towards you, I think it is sad that you consider Christianity a myth or superstition...My father, has always been a science and truth sort of person, with no "real" belief in Jesus....but as he is approaching his final years of life, he is starting to follow his heart and is re-thinking some of the "logical" ways of life...

I know many, many really fantastic people, with great moral values, who chose not to believe in God...and l also know many Christians who are and embarassment to me.

I still believe that our Moral Compass since the beginning of time, has derived from the Word of God...

I'm not going to preach and say that you are going to burn in hell or that you are a heathen  (that is not my job to do)....I do simple ask that you do not shut out the possibliity that God is real, because you do not have scientific facts to support it or that some Christians are obnoxious hypocrits...

[Gryphon]

Id be interested in seeing some stats to back up what 442 said though....