Onward Christian Soldiers! - Kansas abortion doctor killed.

[Palehorse]

you and i will forever disagree on this issue.......

I have sent a pm to mageepet, with my apologies....thus, I changed my post with a link, instead of a picture.

desperate?........maybe, because I'm sick and tired, of those who think, that JUST because it has not drawn a breath yet, it is insignificant.

You are correct, we will and do disagree.

And I am sick and tired of those affording attributes to a parasite that most certainly do not exist IMO, as well as assuming life exists at a stage of formation wherein the mass most certainly could not be sustained if removed from the host, and the uniformity of their blanket utilization of hysterics, scare tactics, and hyperbole in attempting to force their religious based convictions and beliefs upon the masses.

I will not be brainwashed. I will not be subjected to conditioning. I will not stray from that which I know to be true and correct.

[Henry Hawk]

I will not be brainwashed. I will not be subjected to conditioning. I will not stray from that which I know to be true and correct.

It is of MY opinion that you already are.."brainwashed".........and I will NOT stray from that which I know to be true...

a born baby also cannot sustain life WITHOUT a caregiver.............EVERYTHING needs support, until it can take care of itself........

[Palehorse]

You are correct, we will and do disagree.

And I am sick and tired of those affording attributes to a parasite that most certainly do not exist IMO, as well as assuming life exists at a stage of formation wherein the mass most certainly could not be sustained if removed from the host, and the uniformity of their blanket utilization of hysterics, scare tactics, and hyperbole in attempting to force their religious based convictions and beliefs upon the masses.

I will not be brainwashed. I will not be subjected to conditioning. I will not stray from that which I know to be true and correct.

The bottom line in all of this being that what the doctor in question was accused of by his murderer, as well as those entities/individuals that undertook efforts to smear him during his career and life, is 100% legal and endorsed. The man did nothing wrong and was basically "hit" because his work went opposite of the religious beliefs held by those who oppose it.

What makes the beliefs of Christians any more valid than the beliefs of any other? Nothing. They just believe they are superior to everyone else and that everyone MUST fall into line and cadence. . .

[Freethinker]

Palehorse -- you brainwashed yourself with this nonsense about fetuses being parasites.  The parasite analogy works so long as you don't give it much thought.

But Henry makes a good point... a 2-month old baby can't do anything on its own either.... neither can a 6-month... They're entirely dependent on an older human for the first couple of years.... And then eventually, they start opening the refrigerator and smearing mustard all over your livingroom furniture. LOL!

[Palehorse]

It is of MY opinion that you already are.."brainwashed".........and I will NOT stray from that which I know to be true...

I'm not the one drinking the kool aid though. . . so prove it. 

[Freethinker]

The man did nothing wrong and was basically "hit" because his work went opposite of the religious beliefs held by those who oppose it.

"Right and wrong" often have nothing to do with "legal and illegal."

He may have done nothing "illegal," but there are an awful lot of folks thinking he was doing something "wrong."

Of course, it was both "wrong" and "illegal" to murder the doctor.

There are some things that should go before the people in an election, and not just be left to the supreme court.

[Palehorse]

Palehorse -- you brainwashed yourself with this nonsense about fetuses being parasites.  The parasite analogy works so long as you don't give it much thought.

But Henry makes a good point... a 2-month old baby can't do anything on its own either.... neither can a 6-month... They're entirely dependent on an older human for the first couple of years.... And then eventually, they start opening the refrigerator and smearing mustard all over your livingroom furniture. LOL!

Clearly you lack a scientific perspective. Not your fault, everyone can't be a scientist.

You fail to consider that a 2 month old baby has undergone the union of physical and spiritual entities, and thusly meets the definition of "life".

You zealots need to think about that a little bit. What the hell is all the hand wringing and squabbling about? What are you fighting for? The eternal soul. Not the body or mind but the soul. (Spirit).

The thing you fight for doesn't even reside in the parasite until the unification point at first breath. . .   

"Right and wrong" often have nothing to do with "legal and illegal."

He may have done nothing "illegal," but there are an awful lot of folks thinking he was doing something "wrong."

Of course, it was both "wrong" and "illegal" to murder the doctor.

There are some things that should go before the people in an election, and not just be left to the supreme court.

The litmus test consists of the legislated laws of man / humankind / the land here. What was done to this doctor was wrong and illegal according to each. What the doctor did was legal and right according to each.

Just because a segment of society "believes" something to be wrong does not necessarily make it wrong for everyone. The law is what counts. If you do not like it, change it if you can. But just because your convictions are strong does not necessarily make them right. . . It is what the majority holds to be true within society that becomes law. That is why the law itself is akin to a living breathing entity; it changes as does society.

[Freethinker]

Palehorse -- get over yourself. You in no way have any grasp of scientific concepts. The minute you think YOU know when the spirit enters the body, you have proven yourself to be the creator of your own religion.

The fetal organs are developed and functional at the end of 3 months. The heart is already pumping blood like crazy... and the heart cannot pump without its own electrical impulse.

Electrical impulse would be a scientific concept...

Not this nonsense about the spirit entering the body when the baby takes its first breath. Actually, it's kinda funny that you can take an obviously "magical" concept and call it science.

[Bo D]

At the risk of being off-topic - may I throw my wrench into this?

Do you believe that the alleged killer of the doctor should receive the death penalty if convicted?

[Gryphon]

a two month old is its capable of nothing on its own......does it not have a right to the pursuit of happiness?

Sure it is. It can at least perform all the mechanical aspects of life without being inside another person.

[Bo D]

At the risk of being off-topic - may I throw my wrench into this?

Do you believe that the alleged killer of the doctor should receive the death penalty if convicted?

BTW, the question is directed to no one in particular.

[Gryphon]

No, and for the same reason I dont think anyone should. Death is an easy out for these people. A lifetime in prison seems a far worse punishment.

[Henry Hawk]

Clearly you lack a scientific perspective. Not your fault, everyone can't be a scientist.

a bit arrogant aren't we?

You fail to consider that a 2 month old baby has undergone the union of physical and spiritual entities, and thusly meets the definition of "life".

Whose defintion?  Do you have any proof that the baby has undergone the union of physical and spiritual entities? are YOU being a little .... ZEALOT? 

[Henry Hawk]

Sure it is. It can at least perform all the mechanical aspects of life without being inside another person.

not for very long period of time it cannot.

[Palehorse]

. . .The minute you think YOU know when the spirit enters the body, you have proven yourself to be the creator of your own religion.

The fetal organs are developed and functional at the end of 3 months. The heart is already pumping blood like crazy... and the heart cannot pump without its own electrical impulse.

Electrical impulse would be a scientific concept...

Not this nonsense about the spirit entering the body when the baby takes its first breath. Actually, it's kinda funny that you can take an obviously "magical" concept and call it science.

Regurgitation of extremist propaganda doesn't make you right, but certainly is indicative of absorption into the herd. . .

1. I never stated that my "belief" has been or ever was confirmed via scientific evidence. Show me where I said such! Moreover, as a man of science I find said philosophy a lot more believeable than a book written, edited, and assembled by humankind, and utilized as a tool for centuries; as a means to obtain personal wealth and power and control the masses.

2. Some of the greatest minds in science have also endorsed such a philosophy. Should they also "get over themselves"?