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Started by Locutus, May 31, 2009, 01:15:27 PM

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Exterminator

Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Locutus

Looks like the anti-abortion terrorists get what they wanted.




Slain doctor's clinic closing permanently

A Wichita, Kansas, women's clinic headed by a doctor who was shot to death at his church will permanently close, attorneys for the doctor's family said Tuesday.
Flowers are left outside Dr. George Tiller's clinic in Wichita, Kansas, after his death.

"The family of Dr. George Tiller announces that effective immediately, Women's Health Care Services Inc. will be permanently closed," the statement said. "Notice is being given today to all concerned that the Tiller family is ceasing operation of the clinic and any involvement by family members in any other similar clinic."

Tiller, 67, was one of the few U.S. doctors who performed late-term abortions, and he already had survived one attempt on his life before being gunned down in his church May 31.

An anti-abortion activist, Scott Roeder, has been jailed on first-degree murder and aggravated assault charges in Tiller's death.

Roeder has not yet entered a plea to the charges, and police have not disclosed a motive in the case. But associates have said the 51-year-old suspect was a regular among the anti-abortion protesters that routinely gathered at Tiller's Wichita clinic.

"We are proud of the service and courage shown by our husband and father and know that women's health care needs have been met because of his dedication and service," Tiller's family said Tuesday. "That is a legacy that will never die. The family will honor Dr. Tiller's memory through private charitable activities."

Tiller practiced medicine for nearly 40 years. Most of his patients were grappling with pregnancies that were "fatally or catastrophically complicated by medical problems," Dr. Warren Hern, a Colorado physician and a friend, said on CNN's "Anderson Cooper 360."

"The many women who come for late abortions, in fact, have desperate circumstances with a desired pregnancy," he said. "They want to have a baby, not an abortion."

But Tiller's practice made Wichita a flashpoint in the controversy over abortion, which opponents routinely decry as the killing of unborn children.

Most anti-abortion leaders quickly condemned Tiller's killing and disavowed Roeder. The National Right to Life Committee, the largest anti-abortion organization in the United States, said it "unequivocally condemns" violence. And Wichita-based Operation Rescue said Roeder never was "a member, contributor, or volunteer."

Since Tiller's death, supporters have left a few bouquets of flowers outside his clinic. The architecture of the low-slung, windowless concrete building -- which is fenced off, monitored by cameras and separated from buildings behind it by a moat-like ditch -- reflected the threats he faced for nearly two decades.
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

Locutus

Now for all of you who were calling this man a monster, pounding your keyboard in righteous anger all on this thread, let's one more time examine this from the article:

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Tiller practiced medicine for nearly 40 years. Most of his patients were grappling with pregnancies that were "fatally or catastrophically complicated by medical problems," Dr. Warren Hern, a Colorado physician and a friend, said on CNN's "Anderson Cooper 360."

"The many women who come for late abortions, in fact, have desperate circumstances with a desired pregnancy," he said. "They want to have a baby, not an abortion."


Now I'll await some of the more reasonable ones of you to retract your monster comments made earlier.  :wink:
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

Palehorse

Quote from: Locutus on June 09, 2009, 01:08:32 PM
. . .Now I'll await some of the more reasonable ones of you to retract your monster comments made earlier.  :wink:

Hope you packed a lunch. . . and a dinner. . . and a midnight snack. . . and a breakfast. . .
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Bo D

Quote from: Locutus on June 09, 2009, 01:08:32 PM
Now I'll await some of the more reasonable ones of you to retract your monster comments made earlier.  :wink:

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."  Carl Sagan

Palehorse

R.I.P. - followsthewolf - You are MISSED! 4/17/2013

That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville

mcgonser

Thats my story and I'm sticking to it!

Henry Hawk

Quote from: Locutus on June 09, 2009, 01:08:32 PM
Now for all of you who were calling this man a monster, pounding your keyboard in righteous anger all on this thread, let's one more time examine this from the article:

Now I'll await some of the more reasonable ones of you to retract your monster comments made earlier.  :wink:

America's most notorious abortionist



First of all, I never claimed he was a monster..........and I do not excuse the actions against him, in any way, shape or form...it was 100% wrong.

Secondly, I have NOT been reading or keeping up on this thread the last couple of days, I know there was some discussion regarding the number of abortions that he claimed to have done....60,000.....is the claim, made by himself....if you get on the link I provided, there is audio, where he claims this with pride.

I will ALWAYS disagree with Dr. Tiller's practice.....ALWAYS!.. :yes:

I found this quote, and I find it very appropriate.....

"Morality cannot be legislated, but behavior can be regulated. Judicial decrees may not change the heart, but they can restrict the heartless." Martin Luther King, Jr.





"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Locutus

HH, can't you discern facts from the rantings of an obvious religious nutjob and zealot who created the website to which you linked?
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

Locutus

And I ask again the question to which there's been no answer.  If these aborted children go straight to heaven, as most of you believe, then why not let god tend to god's business and stop sticking your collective noses into the lives of women you know nothing about?
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

Henry Hawk

Quote from: Locutus on June 09, 2009, 01:52:37 PM
HH, can't you discern facts from the rantings of an obvious religious nutjob and zealot who created the website to which you linked?

Did you even READ any of the link, or did you just jump to conclusions, and assume he was a 'nutjob, zealot'?.......

With THAT attitude, EVERYBODY against abortion is a 'nutjob, zealot'....read it for a change.....he does a very nice job
submitting facts and his opinions...........he even states that "This website isn't about abortion; it's about one abortionist.".......
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Henry Hawk

Quote from: Locutus on June 09, 2009, 01:54:31 PM
And I ask again the question to which there's been no answer.  If these aborted children go straight to heaven, as most of you believe, then why not let god tend to god's business and stop sticking your collective noses into the lives of women you know nothing about?

I'm sorry, but that may be the lamest comment I have ever heard you say.............are you really serious?

let's just kill EVERYBODY THEN.....and let God tend to His business... :rolleyes:

why don't you worry about Obama/Government sticking his/thier collective noses into the lives of American Citizens and try to control EVERYTHING they can get thier hands on?.....ie Fanny & Freddie, Banks, Auto Industry...at the cost of TAX payers, at an ALL time record rate...?

yet you get your panties up your crawl, because, SOME people find it autrocious, that many people out there are killing innocent babies, so they can keep thier figure... :rolleyes:

"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Locutus

Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 09, 2009, 02:00:16 PM
Did you even READ any of the link, or did you just jump to conclusions, and assume he was a 'nutjob, zealot'?.......

Of course I read it.  I clicked and read several of the sections there.  How do you think I came to that conclusion? 

Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 09, 2009, 02:00:16 PM

With THAT attitude, EVERYBODY against abortion is a 'nutjob, zealot'....read it for a change.....

Now how exactly did you make that leap of logic?  You said that, not me.

Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 09, 2009, 02:00:16 PM

he does a very nice job submitting facts and his opinions...........he even states that "This website isn't about abortion; it's about one abortionist.".......

Bingo!  That's what makes him a nutjob and a zealot.  :wink:

Again from the article:


Quote

Tiller practiced medicine for nearly 40 years. Most of his patients were grappling with pregnancies that were "fatally or catastrophically complicated by medical problems," Dr. Warren Hern, a Colorado physician and a friend, said on CNN's "Anderson Cooper 360."

"The many women who come for late abortions, in fact, have desperate circumstances with a desired pregnancy," he said. "They want to have a baby, not an abortion."

One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

Henry Hawk

Quote from: Locutus on June 09, 2009, 02:17:40 PM
Tiller practiced medicine for nearly 40 years. Most of his patients were grappling with pregnancies that were "fatally or catastrophically complicated by medical problems," Dr. Warren Hern, a Colorado physician and a friend, said on CNN's "Anderson Cooper 360."

"The many women who come for late abortions, in fact, have desperate circumstances with a desired pregnancy," he said. "They want to have a baby, not an abortion."

You think the guy I linked was nuts..........I say Anderson Cooper is nuts.........you got any proof that Most of his patients were grappling with pregnancies that were "fatally or catastrophically complicated by medical problems?...or are you taking his 'friend's' words as fact?
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Locutus

Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 09, 2009, 02:10:38 PM
I'm sorry, but that may be the lamest comment I have ever heard you say.............are you really serious?

Of course I'm serious.  It's a perfectly logical question to ask of those who are so sure that some god is in control of everything, but still seek to control the actions of others with whom they disagree up to and including sticking their noses into the medical decisions of other people whom they know nothing about.

Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 09, 2009, 02:10:38 PM
let's just kill EVERYBODY THEN.....and let God tend to His business... :rolleyes:

Too much caffeine this morning HH.  Yet another illogical statement in a subsequent post.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 09, 2009, 02:10:38 PM
why don't you worry about Obama/Government sticking his/thier collective noses into the lives of American Citizens and try to control EVERYTHING they can get thier hands on?.....ie Fanny & Freddie, Banks, Auto Industry...at the cost of TAX payers, at an ALL time record rate...?

Off topic, although certainly some of these policies concern me.

Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 09, 2009, 02:10:38 PM
yet you get your panties up your crawl, because, SOME people find it autrocious, that many people out there are killing innocent babies, so they can keep thier figure... :rolleyes:



Prove it!  Show me data where many women are using abortion as a primary means of birth control so they can "keep their figure."  :rolleyes:
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson