Cover sheets for Bush's intelligence briefings.

[Exterminator]

I think there is NO comparison between the two.......Bush, wanted the ability to wiretap suspected terrorist and the ability to track and trace these individuals....Obama has TAKEN over General Motors, and has a death grip on key Banks.....THIS is a real reason to perk up your ears and pay attention.....why is there no outrage of this, but when Bush did things, for obvious reasons, it was atrocious...

So preventing the collapse of the U.S. economy is a bad thing but abandoning the principles and Constitution that separate the U.S. from the rest of the world so that cowards are afforded the illusion of security is ok?

[Henry Hawk]

So preventing the collapse of the U.S. economy is a bad thing but abandoning the principles and Constitution that separate the U.S. from the rest of the world so that cowards are afforded the illusion of security is ok?

Our economy just sank Billions of dollars into two companies that went BANKRUPT!!! I don't exactly have the warm and fuzzy feeling that we are FREE of collapse at this point in time....but our Constitution is STILL intact AFTER the Bush presidency...we have been kept safe from further attacks....

[Exterminator]

It's 'intact' and no, it isn't but I wouldn't expect you to understand that. 

[Palehorse]

The Chimp's "intentions" may or may not have been good, but you and I both know that good intentions are meaningless and do not come into play when it comes to law enforcement.

That is the level wherein the abuses have the best opportunity to come to the forefront. One needs only to look at our local law enforcement to see a prime example of what I am talking about here; abuse of power and position. (Officer Brooks)

It would be fine if it were only to be exercised on a "known terrorist", but define that term would you? The fact is all they have to do is connect you with the term terrorist and bingo, they can listen to every single word you say, all day, all night. Won't matter if the connection is made over the squabble you enter into with a neighbor over his penchant for sitting in his boxers on the front porch and drinking beer in front of your daughters every evening. All that has to happen is for someone to utter the word terrorist, and the abusers will abuse.

This kind of legislation is what is wrong with our country and its leadership, and the fact that they have herds of sheeple falling into line is quite disturbing. Only when it is far too late will those sheeple realize they have let the wolves in amongst them.

[Henry Hawk]

Palehorse, If YOU, was President, would you or would you NOT, do EVERYTHING possible to prevent another attack.  You have access to all sorts of classified information and you know things that we Americans will never know.  Would you allow your advisaries (the other party) to stall you and fight you on every move you made, or would you do what you had to do, to allow those who are defending our country do their job.....THAT is what I think George W. Bush did.......he was attacked and had EVERY thing he did, spun into a BAD THING....it was the democrats mission, to get back into power, and they did WHATEVER they had to, to be successful....I believe this with all my heart....(Im not saying that the repubs are above this either....both parties SUCK, and it is ALL about power....)

[Palehorse]

Palehorse, If YOU, was President, would you or would you NOT, do EVERYTHING possible to prevent another attack.  You have access to all sorts of classified information and you know things that we Americans will never know.  Would you allow your advisaries (the other party) to stall you and fight you on every move you made, or would you do what you had to do, to allow those who are defending our country do their job.....THAT is what I think George W. Bush did.......he was attacked and had EVERY thing he did, spun into a BAD THING....it was the democrats mission, to get back into power, and they did WHATEVER they had to, to be successful....I believe this with all my heart....(Im not saying that the repubs are above this either....both parties SUCK, and it is ALL about power....)

IF I were POTUS it would be incumbent upon me to do everything within my power to protect and serve the people of the United States of America and its interests; but not at the expense of their rights as guaranteed by the Constitution.

It would also be incumbent upon me to do everything within my power to guarantee the safety and well being of any captured enemy of the State, and to treat said prisoners as outlined under the Geneva Convention; for unless I do this how can I expect it of our enemies?

America and Americans must take the high ground, whether it is during an active engagement upon our own soil or that of a foreign land. We can not and should not falter from this path ever, for doing so lowers our credibility and places us squarely into the position of those who would oppose us.

Yes, in some cases it is necessary to act, and act swiftly and boldly in order to seize the upper hand; but never is it justified to abuse the liberties of a single citizen nor the basic human rights of an enemy.

The previous administration failed on all counts to uphold these absolutes and did so miserably. Removing just one of those rights guaranteed each one of us by the USC, for even one person, is unacceptable to me and should be to every U.S. citizen.

To be quite honest about this, IMHO the Chimp should have put a stop to this kind of cover sheet being generated by any governmental agency. It smacks of endorsement of religion in direct opposition to the intention of our founding documentation.

[me]

IF I were POTUS it would be incumbent upon me to do everything within my power to protect and serve the people of the United States of America and its interests; but not at the expense of their rights as guaranteed by the Constitution.

It would also be incumbent upon me to do everything within my power to guarantee the safety and well being of any captured enemy of the State, and to treat said prisoners as outlined under the Geneva Convention; for unless I do this how can I expect it of our enemies?

America and Americans must take the high ground, whether it is during an active engagement upon our own soil or that of a foreign land. We can not and should not falter from this path ever, for doing so lowers our credibility and places us squarely into the position of those who would oppose us.

Yes, in some cases it is necessary to act, and act swiftly and boldly in order to seize the upper hand; but never is it justified to abuse the liberties of a single citizen nor the basic human rights of an enemy.

The previous administration failed on all counts to uphold these absolutes and did so miserably. Removing just one of those rights guaranteed each one of us by the USC, for even one person, is unacceptable to me and should be to every U.S. citizen.

To be quite honest about this, IMHO the Chimp should have put a stop to this kind of cover sheet being generated by any governmental agency. It smacks of endorsement of religion in direct opposition to the intention of our founding documentation.

But was it really generated by one of our government agency's?

[Palehorse]

But was it really generated by one of our government agency's?

Given that administrations public record now, it is a lot easier to believe it is than it isn't. Their own fault too for lying to us, using us, and abusing our liberties and the human rights of our enemies.

How much worse is our enemy's actions in beheading prisoners, when compared to our torturing of our own prisoners? Shame on us for validating their actions!

[Y]

But was it really generated by one of our government agency's?

Possibilities and probabilities again.  ; )

While possible these aren't generated by the accused, probability says that, since none of the usual RW suspects (media or political) have latched on to this like the proverbial dog on a shank bone as there would be piles of poo-litical (    ) capital to be made by debunking this, they should be genuine by the standard of proof (the preponderance of evidence, i.e.: more likely than not - 51% - to the reasonable person) used in civil cases.

[me]

Possibilities and probabilities again.  ; )

While possible these aren't generated by the accused, probability says that, since none of the usual RW suspects (media or political) have latched on to this like the proverbial dog on a shank bone as there would be piles of poo-litical (    ) capital to be made by debunking this, they should be genuine by the standard of proof (the preponderance of evidence, i.e.: more likely than not - 51% - to the reasonable person) used in civil cases.

Or, it hasn't been jumped on because it just don't matter in the scheme of things. 

[Y]

Or, it hasn't been jumped on because it just don't matter in the scheme of things.

And you know what the probability of that is, don't you?   

[me]

And you know what the probability of that is, don't you?   

On the other hand you could say the reason they aren't all over the main stream media is because it can't be substantiated the other way.     There are waaaaaay more important things going on that need to be addressed than some cover sheets from years ago.  That unanimous source thing is always questionable.

[Y]

On the other hand you could say the reason they aren't all over the main stream media is because it can't be substantiated the other way.

You'd better take a look at the OP.  ; )

That unanimous source thing is always questionable.

Anonymous   

[LOsborne]

On the other hand you could say the reason they aren't all over the main stream media is because it can't be substantiated the other way. 

Huh? I just did a quick search and found the story on CNN, Reuters, ABC, NPR, the NY Times, AOL news and Newsday before I got off the first page of results. How much more main stream does it have to get before you agree the story was widely disseminated?

[me]

No one is making a big deal out of it though. 

Huh? I just did a quick search and found the story on CNN, Reuters, ABC, NPR, the NY Times, AOL news and Newsday before I got off the first page of results. How much more main stream does it have to get before you agree the story was widely disseminated?

Anonymous   

Ya, that too....Guess that's what I get for posting when I'm half asleep.