How far do we go to keep America safe?...

[mcgonser]

sometimes is does![/quote]

You just don't get it do you?  If we compromise our principles, they win.

How come torturing is now wrong when it has been done since the beginning of time in interogation?

My biggest complaint with Obama and the Waterboarding deal is.........I dont think we OWE anybody any apologies....and stating that we will NOT do what ever it takes to keep America secure is asinine...I am against using brutal and phyically harming methods of interogations...

If you think that waterboarding does not have lasting physical effects, you need to read up on it a little more.

Beheading has lasting physical effects too. Its also torture and not ok in any circumstances. What about that.

[pariann]

Except for the fact that an abortion is elective.

To alot of people abortion is not elective surgery, it is murder.

Elective: In medicine, something chosen (elected). An elective procedure is one that is chosen (elected) by the patient or physician that is advantageous to the patient but is not urgent.

Elective surgery is decided by the patient or their doctor. The procedure is seen as beneficial but not absolutely essential at that time.

[Exterminator]

How come torturing is now wrong when it has been done since the beginning of time in interogation?

Beheading has lasting physical effects too. Its also torture and not ok in any circumstances. What about that.

Do you really not know?

Hitler gassed jews; does that make it ok for everyone to gas people?  We are the United States; we should be setting the example we would like for the rest of the world to follow.  Do we want that example to be torture?

[me]

You all really just don't get it do you?  The method was ok'ed by congress, it was not done illegally.  All the posturing now is being done to distract people from what is really going on with all these spending bills and taxes being added to this and that and government taking over private businesses and banks.  A lot of the more important stuff isn't even being reported by the mainstream networks or it's just briefly mentioned and they're sticking to the stories that distract and create diversion.  Go ahead and laugh, I know you will, but ya better open your eyes and really pay attention. 

[Exterminator]

You all really just don't get it do you?  The method was ok'ed by congress, it was not done illegally.

No, it wasn't ok'd by Congress; you're the one who doesn't get it and is this an example of the 'compassion' you accuse me of not having?  Another "Christian" hypocrite, I see...

[me]

You all really just don't get it do you?  The method was ok'ed by congress, it was not done illegally.

No, it wasn't ok'd by Congress; you're the one who doesn't get it and is this an example of the 'compassion' you accuse me of not having?  Another "Christian" hypocrite, I see...

Ex, I am an agnostic....get it....A G N O S T I C I hate to admit it but I could not pass a quize on the Bible because I have never read it so ya can't pull that "Christian" hypocrite stuff on me it won't work.

[me]

At least I'm an arrogant ass who understands the value of preserving the honor of the uniform he once wore and not some coward who's done nothing more in his life than pay lip service to his country's safety.

The more I think about the fact that you keep bringing this up to Henry like he would feel any differently if he had served in the military the more I wonder what makes you think that would make a difference in how he feels about waterboarding.  I was also wondering which branch, for how long, and where did you serve? 

[LOsborne]

Beheading has lasting physical effects too. Its also torture and not ok in any circumstances. What about that.

Ummmm.... have I missed the news reports about all the critical information the mujahadeem got from the people they had beheaded?  The point of the interrogation exercise is to obtain useful information, capeesh? I'm pretty sure severed heads don't talk.

Now it sounds (again) like all you want it revenge.You're playing grade-school justice, saying "Why isn't it okay for me to do it, when he did it first? And he did it worst!  That's not f-a-a-a-i-i-r-r!" It isn't okay, because we're supposed to be better than that.

[me]

Beheadings are meant to scare people into submission not obtain information to save lives. 

[LOsborne]

You all really just don't get it do you?  The method was ok'ed by congress, it was not done illegally.

Where do you get this stuff? The whole reason there is such a fuss about the torture memo is that torture is illegal!

[pariann]

Ummmm.... have I missed the news reports about all the critical information the mujahadeem got from the people they had beheaded?  The point of the interrogation exercise is to obtain useful information, capeesh? I'm pretty sure severed heads don't talk.

Now it sounds (again) like all you want it revenge.You're playing grade-school justice, saying "Why isn't it okay for me to do it, when he did it first? And he did it worst!  That's not f-a-a-a-i-i-r-r!" It isn't okay, because we're supposed to be better than that.

I'm guessing you didn't see The Signal

[me]

But waterboarding is not torture.  Congress, including Nancy Pelosi, ok'ed it.  The whole fuss about it is diversion plain and simple.

[LOsborne]

Beheadings are meant to scare people into submission not obtain information to save lives.

So you admit you aren't interested in life-saving information.

[LOsborne]

But waterboarding is not torture.  Congress, including Nancy Pelosi, ok'ed it.

Give me your source on this statement. Show me in black & white where Congress ruled waterboarding is not torture.

[LOsborne]

I have a source that says it is not approved.

http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1193735029174