How far do we go to keep America safe?...

[Exterminator]

And I note that you conveniently avoided the question about whether or not Christian Scientists should be able to dictate to which medical procedure you have access.   

[Henry Hawk]

And I note that you conveniently avoided the question about whether or not Christian Scientists should be able to dictate to which medical procedure you have access.  

I'm not really into researching Christian Science....and there IS no comparison between killing an innocent baby and elective surgery.

[pariann]

Except for the fact that an abortion is elective.

[Exterminator]

Your fellow Christians agree with me.

So are you going to ignore this Christianity Today article.

[Henry Hawk]

Your fellow Christians agree with me.

So are you going to ignore this Christianity Today article.

i read it and i disagree with it...

next

[Exterminator]

Your fellow Christians agree with me.

So are you going to ignore this Christianity Today article.

i read it and i disagree with it...

next

Of course you do.  There's such a cohesiveness about this whole Christianity thing; I can certainly understand why you find it to be the ultimate truth.  [\sarcasm]

[Ma and Pa]

Ex: The percentage of Americans who have actually served in our armed forces really isn't all that high, is it? Yet not having a military background absolutely does not preclude an individual from loving his (or her) country, feeling patriotic, or having strong opinions about the direction the country is heading. I am certain that your service-- which I want to thank you for-- has a strong influence on the positions you take, as well it should. And it's quite likely that had Henry done a stint in uniform, his opinions might take a different tack; obviously his viewpoint would be different. But to demean him for not having served is wrong, and to infer that he is somehow less of a man, or unfit to have feelings of patriotism, is way wrong. I think that Hank's love of country is pretty obvious to most of us, whether we agree with his stances or not. JMHO,  Pa

[Exterminator]

And it's quite likely that had Henry done a stint in uniform, his opinions might take a different tack; obviously his viewpoint would be different.

And that is my point...he doesn't have to worry about tarnishing the honor of a uniform he never wore.

I think that Hank's love of country is pretty obvious to most of us, whether we agree with his stances or not. JMHO,  Pa

I'm sure he thinks he does but I would submit that if that were true, he would be against anything that tarnishes our image of being a country with more character than a band of savage barbarians.

[Sandy Eggo]

Gotcha Henry, thanks for explaining I misread.

As for torture, I think you agree with Ex more than you think and perhaps the slight antagonism between you...keeps you from seeing it. You said that you don't support torture but you do support the right to interrogate. I don't think anyone would disagree with interrogation sans torture.

[Exterminator]

As for torture, I think you agree with Ex more than you think and perhaps the slight antagonism between you...keeps you from seeing it. You said that you don't support torture but you do support the right to interrogate. I don't think anyone would disagree with interrogation sans torture.

Not true...go back and re-read the thread; his attitude is that the ends justify the means.

[Sandy Eggo]

I noticed that, but his opinion seemed to evolve based on his last post.

[Henry Hawk]

As for torture, I think you agree with Ex more than you think and perhaps the slight antagonism between you...keeps you from seeing it. You said that you don't support torture but you do support the right to interrogate. I don't think anyone would disagree with interrogation sans torture.

Not true...go back and re-read the thread; his attitude is that the ends justify the means.

sometimes is does!

My biggest complaint with Obama and the Waterboarding deal is.........I dont think we OWE anybody any apologies....and stating that we will NOT do what ever it takes to keep America secure is asinine...I am against using brutal and phyically harming methods of interogations....but, I am even more against telling our enemies things that they do not need to know....and I am very serious, and If I was President, I would tell those responsible for keeping us safe to do what ever it takes within the law.

[Sandy Eggo]

I'm sorry, I can't see post numbers, but it wasn't the last post...it was about 11:30ish.

[mcgonser]

Except for the fact that an abortion is elective.

To alot of people abortion is not elective surgery, it is murder.

[Exterminator]

Not true...go back and re-read the thread; his attitude is that the ends justify the means.

sometimes is does!

You just don't get it do you?  If we compromise our principles, they win.

My biggest complaint with Obama and the Waterboarding deal is.........I dont think we OWE anybody any apologies....and stating that we will NOT do what ever it takes to keep America secure is asinine...I am against using brutal and phyically harming methods of interogations...

If you think that waterboarding does not have lasting physical effects, you need to read up on it a little more.

...but, I am even more against telling our enemies things that they do not need to know....and I am very serious, and If I was President, I would tell those responsible for keeping us safe to do what ever it takes within the law.

And torture, including waterboarding, is not within the law.