How far do we go to keep America safe?...

[Henry Hawk]

...what we reasonably believe is an imminent threat to our security....

The only imminent threat to our security is people like you who obviously don't have a clue what this country stands for.

bullshit Ex..........we are facing an enemy like we have never faced before....it is unprecedented times....I am NOT advocating that we torture prisoners........but, I think there HAS to be an exception to the rule....and allow our military to use certain means to assure our security.....I know exactly what our country stands for....and if more of us don't stand up for it, it will not be standing much longer.......have you forgotten what happened on 9/11?..I have NOT..

[Exterminator]

bullshit Ex..........we are facing an enemy like we have never faced before....it is unprecedented times....I am NOT advocating that we torture prisoners........but, I think there HAS to be an exception to the rule....and allow our military to use certain means to assure our security.....I know exactly what our country stands for....and if more of us don't stand up for it, it will not be standing much longer.......have you forgotten what happened on 9/11?..I have NOT..

So torture is ok if you're a coward; right?  That's essentially what you're saying...if we're scared enough, we can do whatever we feel is necessary to make us feel safe.  That's the difference between people like you and people like me.  You claim that torture is the only way to defend the American way of life and I believe that the American way of life is that we don't torture, ergo, your 'defense' tactic destroys exactly that which it claims to preserve.

I would rather die bravely with integrity than live as a coward whose core values are so easily manipulated by fear.

[Henry Hawk]

bullshit Ex..........we are facing an enemy like we have never faced before....it is unprecedented times....I am NOT advocating that we torture prisoners........but, I think there HAS to be an exception to the rule....and allow our military to use certain means to assure our security.....I know exactly what our country stands for....and if more of us don't stand up for it, it will not be standing much longer.......have you forgotten what happened on 9/11?..I have NOT..

So torture is ok if you're a coward; right?  That's essentially what you're saying...if we're scared enough, we can do whatever we feel is necessary to make us feel safe.  That's the difference between people like you and people like me.  You claim that torture is the only way to defend the American way of life and I believe that the American way of life is that we don't torture, ergo, your 'defense' tactic destroys exactly that which it claims to preserve.

I would rather die bravely with integrity than live as a coward whose core values are so easily manipulated by fear.

I think you are being asinine and as usual pompass...there is NOTHING cowardass in saving lives.....and I never said torture is the only way to defend the American way of life...all I am saying IS...waterboarding CAN be an effective way of gaining valuable information from certain individuals to save American Lives...and this has been reported as indeed true by our CIA...keeping American SAFE from a group of people who will stop at no means to bring us down....why can't you understand that?...

[Exterminator]

I think you don't have a clue about the principles on which this country was founded and that you have none of your own either.

[Henry Hawk]

I think you don't have a clue about the principles on which this country was founded and that you have none of your own either.

and you would be wrong too...

[Exterminator]

I doubt it; real principles don't waver based on your level of fear.

[Sandy Eggo]

Why would anyone work under the assumption that torture is the only way to "keep America safe"?

[Henry Hawk]

Why would anyone work under the assumption that torture is the only way to "keep America safe"?

again, I never, ever stated that torture is the only way to "keep America safe"....I just don't think we should tell the world that we would NEVER do what ever it takes to keep us safe...like I said before, these are unprecedented times...

and I AM against torture....at least in the terms of physical abuse is done...or where bodily harm IS inflicted...and then it should only be done, when are certain to have information about what we reasonably believe is an imminent threat to our security....

[Exterminator]

Hogwash, it's either morally wrong or it's not; ethics are not situational.

[Henry Hawk]

Hogwash, it's either morally wrong or it's not; ethics are not situational.

that is like saying it is wrong for congress to spend money.......that is part of their job........but NOT to the extent they are spending these days....same with this......It is wrong to brutally abuse anyone...always....but, in situtations like these guys have created, and have information that is going to kill Americans, we need to bend, but don't break on this interrogation techniques...

[Exterminator]

Hogwash, it's either morally wrong or it's not; ethics are not situational.

Are the commandments bendable as well?

[Henry Hawk]

Hogwash, it's either morally wrong or it's not; ethics are not situational.

Are the commandments bendable as well?

Thanks to Jesus, they are! 

[Exterminator]

Ridiculous. 

[Henry Hawk]

snappy comeback...

btw...

President Obama's national intelligence director told colleagues in a private memo last week that the harsh interrogation techniques banned by the White House did produce significant information that helped the nation in its struggle with terrorists.

"High value information came from interrogations in which those methods were used and provided a deeper understanding of the al Qa'ida organization that was attacking this country," Adm. Dennis C. Blair, the intelligence director, wrote in a memo to his staff last Thursday...

[Henry Hawk]

Hogwash, it's either morally wrong or it's not; ethics are not situational.

yet many of you think waterboarding a known terrorist is absolute horrible torture and completely immoral..but pulling baby's head out of mother, sucking brain out with long needle is acceptable alternative to contraception....