Congress sucks...

[followsthewolf]

 

[LOsborne]

The legislators and insurance are going to pay for health care?  What??????  Sounds to me like you have no clue and are trying to dodge the question. 

That isn't what he said. He said, "Your legislators, in the pockets of the insurance companies, have ensured there isn't any additional gov't ran health care." That is because the version of the bill passed by the Senate eliminates the public option. No matter how the bill turns out, all insurance must be purchased from insurance companies, either individually or in company-sponsored group plans.

Now, I want to know: did you really misunderstand what Dan said? Have you not followed the news closely enough (despite your proclaimed constant monitoring of many sources) to realize the public option is off the table? Or do you not have a clue what is in the bill, and are simply parroting the party line as you have been accused -- up till now I thought unfairly accused -- of doing?

[followsthewolf]

Damn good question.

[me]

That didn't answer my question about who is going to pay for this "free" health care now did it?  Read veeeerrrrryyyy slowly....where is all this money going to come from to pay for this health insurance for everyone?

That isn't what he said. He said, "Your legislators, in the pockets of the insurance companies, have ensured there isn't any additional gov't ran health care." That is because the version of the bill passed by the Senate eliminates the public option. No matter how the bill turns out, all insurance must be purchased from insurance companies, either individually or in company-sponsored group plans.

Now, I want to know: did you really misunderstand what Dan said? Have you not followed the news closely enough (despite your proclaimed constant monitoring of many sources) to realize the public option is off the table? Or do you not have a clue what is in the bill, and are simply parroting the party line as you have been accused -- up till now I thought unfairly accused -- of doing?

[Anne]

Completely missed the point. 

No I did not miss the point. I know what you were saying, I just want to know what part of the post is not true.

[LOsborne]

That didn't answer my question about who is going to pay for this "free" health care now did it?  Read veeeerrrrryyyy slowly....where is all this money going to come from to pay for this health insurance for everyone?

You didn't ask who is going to pay for this "free" health care. You asked The legislators and insurance are going to pay for health care? But I'll answer you. There isn't any NEW free health care. Everything in the bill has to be paid for. You know that if you have read it. (Have you?) The only FREE health care is the stuff that has been around for years: Medicaid and Medicare. Oh yeah, and SSDI. Right now, I pay for that, and all the other people drawing wages, or unemployment insurance (which is taxable, ya know.) The wealthy don't pay because all their money is sheltered.

Are you on Medicare, me? Because if you are, you have lost all credibility. Not that you had much left after that last attempt to pretend you asked something you didn't.

Keep in mind, we can all page back to check the words you actually typed. And most of us know how to check sources.

[Anne]

Medicare isn't free, cheaper but not free, and you have to be able to find a doctor who take medicare patients.

[LOsborne]

Medicare isn't free, cheaper but not free, and you have to be able to find a doctor who take medicare patients.

"Cheaper" means that part of it is subsidized, and therefor free.

By the way, I wanted to address you earlier question about whether the plagiarized post is true. Yup, it's true. But it is also facile and non-relevant. All the players are crooks, liars, and con-men. Every damned one of them. The fact that clever synopses like this one are found all over the net about both parties should be evidence enough that the system doesn't work. Let's stop trying to fix it, and just start over. Shakespeare pointed the way. "First, we kill all the lawyers." I think we need to add bankers to the hit list, and then start drafting our public servants. If they do a good job, we won't kill them.

[LOsborne]

I'm kind of kidding, but only as a matter of degree.

[me]

Medicare isn't free, cheaper but not free, and you have to be able to find a doctor who take medicare patients.

You also have to pay for extra insurance to cover what medicare doesn't and they don't cover much.  If you can't afford the extra insurance you're pretty much screwed and may as well not have any insurance at all.  They now only pay $8pr doctor visit so even less doctors than before will accept patients who are on medicare. 

[Bo D]

so even less doctors than before will accept patients who are on medicare.

fewer

[dan foster]

The legislators and insurance are going to pay for health care?  What??????  Sounds to me like you have no clue and are trying to dodge the question.

er, ah, youuuu do understand the use of commas in a sentence, don't you?

[dan foster]

That didn't answer my question about who is going to pay for this "free" health care now did it?  Read veeeerrrrryyyy slowly....where is all this money going to come from to pay for this health insurance for everyone?

That isn't what you asked.  You asked "who is going to pay for this gov't run health care".  To answer your, NOW, different question; you are.

[mr. willy]

The only FREE health care is the stuff that has been around for years: Medicaid and Medicare.

Medicare is FREE 

Medicare is partially financed by payroll taxes imposed by the Federal Insurance Contributions Act (FICA) and the Self-Employment Contributions Act of 1954. In the case of employees, the tax is equal to 2.9% (1.45% withheld from the worker and a matching 1.45% paid by the employer) of the wages, salaries and other compensation in connection with employment. Until December 31, 1993, the law provided a maximum amount of wages, etc., on which the Medicare tax could be imposed each year.[6] Beginning January 1, 1994, the compensation limit was removed. In the case of self-employed individuals, the entire 2.9% tax of self employed net earnings must be paid by the self-employed individual, however half of the tax can be deducted from the income calculated for income tax purposes

[me]

That isn't what you asked.  You asked "who is going to pay for this gov't run health care".  To answer your, NOW, different question; you are.

And who is going to pay for those who still can't afford it?