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Started by Henry Hawk, April 21, 2009, 12:29:20 PM

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Bo D

Quote from: mr. willy on January 15, 2010, 03:38:15 PM
http://www.scientificblogging.com/gerhard_adam/blog/economic_theory_lower_taxes_raise_revenue

Do these people ever read what they post?

From the cited blog ....

"Bear in mind that my point is not to justify government taxation nor the rate at which it is levied, but rather to examine whether the Laffer Curve tells us anything useful about this phenomenon at all. At this point, we can see that it is highly suspect in terms of what it suggests."

"any supposed benefits from tax cuts is suspect"

"Whatever the reasons, the Laffer Curve did not provide us any insight into why this happened or why it should happen. So basically what we have is a graph that creates the illusion of being mathematical, despite having no equation from which it is derived. It is endlessly quoted as a means of peddling a political agenda, and in the end, has no ability to predict events at all."

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."  Carl Sagan

Bo D

Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 15, 2010, 04:03:28 PM
http://www.heritage.org/research/taxes/wm182.cfm

http://www.heritage.org/research/taxes/bg2001.cfm

http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/pdupont/?id=110010798

http://www.forbes.com/2009/02/04/tax-cut-stimulus-opinions-contributors_0204_peter_ferrara.html

I am not propagating any lies....there is a lot of facts and proof that tax cuts, stimulate the economy and generates MORE revenue to the federal government....

it is common logic....not trying to be a smart arse....there is several links that support this idea...

I just don't get you, Henry.

First you castigate Ex for referencing "a liberal policy analysis group" (while ignoring his very good references to an excellent CBO report) ....

Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 15, 2010, 12:37:45 PM
Ex, I have read and researched your sources...and they are...a liberal policy analysis group...so, naturally, they will spin tax cuts to benefit the liberal agenda, to increase the tax burden on hard working Americans....

And then you try to foist upon us the most-right of right-wing organizations.

Shame on you, Henry. Shame.

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."  Carl Sagan

Henry Hawk

first of all I am not castigating Ex.....I am ponting out there are some very strong opinons that dispute what he as reported...and I really don't thing the CBO, is any more non partisan than anyone else....they have an agenda to drive also....

I'm saying that tax cuts DO stimulate the economy, and thusly, it increases the federal revenue.....as opposed to raising taxes, where many expert has shown that it can stiffle the economy and decreasing the revenue....that is pretty simple.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW


me

Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 15, 2010, 04:25:17 PM
first of all I am not castigating Ex.....I am ponting out there are some very strong opinons that dispute what he as reported...and I really don't thing the CBO, is any more non partisan than anyone else....they have an agenda to drive also....

I'm saying that tax cuts DO stimulate the economy, and thusly, it increases the federal revenue.....as opposed to raising taxes, where many expert has shown that it can stiffle the economy and decreasing the revenue....that is pretty simple.
I don't think they get the deal on taxing HH.   

Taxing businesses = higher prices to consumers = less spending = less need for production = businesses closing = fewer jobs = less income = less taxes being collected

Taxing people = less spendable cash = less product being purchased = lower production = businesses closing = fewer jobs = less income = less taxes being collected


Less tax on business = more incentive = more production = more jobs = more taxes being collected

Less tax on people = more spendable cash = products being purchased = more cash for the businesses  = more need for production = more jobs = more taxes being collected


Now show me how the higher tax on businesses works in your world using the same method I just used all you tax hike enthusiasts.   :razz:
Trump 2020

Henry Hawk

congress spent $1 million for trips to Copenhagen... :rant:

"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

dan foster

Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 25, 2010, 10:23:47 PM
congress spent $1 million for trips to Copenhagen... :rant:

NASCAR fans spent $2B last year on hats, jackets and shit.  What a fucking waste.  The US sent israel over $10B last year, with an additional $1B in personal tax-deductible contributions from private citizens funding that oppressive state.  What a fucking crime.
"Wherever morality is based on theology, wherever right is made dependent on divine authority, the most immoral, unjust, infamous things can be justified and established." -- Ludwig Feuerbach, The Essence of Christianity, 1841

"A bottle of wine contains more philosophy than all the books in the world" Louis Pasteur

"It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so." -- Sir Arthur C. Clarke

Henry Hawk

Quote from: dan foster on January 25, 2010, 10:49:35 PM
NASCAR fans spent $2B last year on hats, jackets and shit.  What a fucking waste.  The US sent israel over $10B last year, with an additional $1B in personal tax-deductible contributions from private citizens funding that oppressive state.  What a fucking crime.
and your point is?
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

dan foster

Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 25, 2010, 10:53:59 PM
and your point is?

the point is, frist and the other nazis in congress probably spent $10M saving terry and now you are worried about $1M on going to Copenhagen?
"Wherever morality is based on theology, wherever right is made dependent on divine authority, the most immoral, unjust, infamous things can be justified and established." -- Ludwig Feuerbach, The Essence of Christianity, 1841

"A bottle of wine contains more philosophy than all the books in the world" Louis Pasteur

"It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so." -- Sir Arthur C. Clarke

Anne

The difference is, imo, the Nascar people spent their own money, congress spends mine. You know, save a million here and a million there and it adds up. I forget which politician said that.
"A discontented man will find no easy chair." Ben Franklin

Exterminator

Quote from: Anne on January 26, 2010, 12:21:45 AM
The difference is, imo, the Nascar people spent their own money, congress spends mine.

I'm sure that most of the NASCAR crowd got economic incentive tax checks so actually, they're spending my money.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Henry Hawk

Quote from: Exterminator on January 26, 2010, 09:08:06 AM
I'm sure that most of the NASCAR crowd got economic incentive tax checks so actually, they're spending my money.

Not from Obama they didn't....
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Exterminator

Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

dan foster

Quote from: Exterminator on January 26, 2010, 09:08:06 AM
I'm sure that most of the NASCAR crowd got economic incentive tax checks so actually, they're spending my money.

I will change my analogy to the $2.5M being spent by Fukups on the Family to have little Timmy Teabow to denounce abortion in a super bowl add.  As far as I am concerned, since the gov't at every level subsidizes these religious assholes, then the $2.5M IS YOUR MONEY.
"Wherever morality is based on theology, wherever right is made dependent on divine authority, the most immoral, unjust, infamous things can be justified and established." -- Ludwig Feuerbach, The Essence of Christianity, 1841

"A bottle of wine contains more philosophy than all the books in the world" Louis Pasteur

"It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so." -- Sir Arthur C. Clarke

Anne

Quote from: Exterminator on January 26, 2010, 09:08:06 AM
I'm sure that most of the NASCAR crowd got economic incentive tax checks so actually, they're spending my money.

So you don't mind the Copenhagen trips? Personally, I think the members of congress and the senate should become acquainted with "Go To Meeting" :)
"A discontented man will find no easy chair." Ben Franklin