ACLU..

[Exterminator]

I think that goes without saying.

[Palehorse]

Indeed!

[Henry Hawk]

Here is their only agenda; tell us with which parts you disagree:

The ACLU is our nation's guardian of liberty, working daily in courts, legislatures and communities to defend and preserve the individual rights and liberties that the Constitution and laws of the United States guarantee everyone in this country.

These rights include:

Your First Amendment rights - freedom of speech, association and assembly; freedom of the press, and freedom of religion.

How about them suing the Pentagon for sponsoring the Boy Scouts of America?...mainly because of the Boy Scouts have religous beliefs.....I think THAT is crossing the line.....and going TOO far.

The Boy Scouts of America is being chastised because THEY are standing on their own religious convictions....are THEY really a threat to ANYONE?

I simply disagree with the ACLU on this 100%

[Henry Hawk]

ah screw ya...

[Palehorse]

ah screw ya...

Watch out. They'll start associating you with NAMLA for such statements! 

[Exterminator]

How about them suing the Pentagon for sponsoring the Boy Scouts of America?...mainly because of the Boy Scouts have religous beliefs.....I think THAT is crossing the line.....and going TOO far.

The Boy Scouts of America is being chastised because THEY are standing on their own religious convictions....are THEY really a threat to ANYONE?

I simply disagree with the ACLU on this 100%

I know you hate the Constitution but which part of the government not sponsoring particular religious beliefs do you have difficulty understanding?

[Exterminator]

Watch out. They'll start associating you with NAMLA for such statements! 

I already do!   

[Palehorse]

Because it's your birthday Hank, I'll attempt to show you one more time how wrong you are about them:

The ACLU of Southern California (2008) filed suit on behalf of members of a faith-based charity organization after park rangers threatened to arrest the members for serving hot meals and distributing Bibles to the homeless on Doheny State Beach.
http://www.aclu-sc.org/releases/view/102880

The ACLU of Louisiana (2008) filed a brief before the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit supporting an individual's right to quote Bible verses on public streets in Zachary, Louisiana.
http://www.laaclu.org/News/2008/NetherlandAmi...

The ACLU and the ACLU of Texas(2008) filed a friend-of-the-court brief in the Texas Supreme Court in support of mothers who had been separated from their children by the Texas Department of Family and Protective Services (DFPS). The DFPS seized more than 450 children from their homes in Eldorado, Texas following vague allegations about child abuse by some members of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. While fully supporting the state's commitment to protecting children from abuse, the ACLU argued that Texas law and the U.S. Constitution required that the children be returned unless the state could provide the requisite evidence of abuse. Neither Texas law nor the U.S. Constitution allows the state to separate children and their parents based on purported cultural harm alone or on the state's disapproval of the families' religious beliefs. In May 2008, the Texas Supreme Court unanimously ruled, consistent with the ACLU position, that the state must return the children to their homes pending further investigation of allegations of abuse.
http://www.aclu.org/religion/gen/35468prs2008...
http://www.aclu.org/religion/gen/35500prs2008...

The ACLU of Florida (2007) argued in favor of the right of Christians to protest against a gay pride event held in the City of St. Petersburg. The City had proposed limiting opposition speech, including speech motivated by religious beliefs, to restricted "free speech zones." After receiving the ACLU's letter, the City revised its proposed ordinance.
http://www.aclufl.org/pdfs/StPeteLetter.pdf

The ACLU of Oregon (2007) defended the right of students at a private religious school not to be pressured to violate their Sabbath day by playing in a state basketball tournament. The Oregon School Activities Association scheduled state tournament games on Saturdays, the recognized Sabbath of students and faculty of the Portland Adventist Academy. The ACLU argued that the school's team, having successfully made it to the tournament, should not be required to violate their religious beliefs in order to participate.
http://www.aclu-or.org/site/PageServer...
http://www.aclu-or.org/site/DocServer/Lit_OSA...

The ACLU of West Virginia (2007) sued on behalf of a Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormon) university student who won a prestigious scholarship to West Virginia University. Although the state scholarship board provided leaves of absence for military, medical, and family reasons, it denied the ACLU's client a leave of absence to serve on a 2-year mission for his church. The ACLU filed a religious freedom claim in federal court.
http://www.acluwv.org/Newsroom/PressReleases/...


The ACLU of Wisconsin (2007) filed a friend-of-the-court brief arguing that individual pharmacists should be able to refuse to fill prescriptions that violate their religious scruples, provided that patients can obtain prescriptions from willing providers in a safe and timely manner.
http://www.aclu-wi.org/wisconsin/rights_of_wo...

The ACLU of New Jersey (2007) defended the right of an elementary school student who was prohibited from singing "Awesome God" in a voluntary, after-school talent show for which students selected their own material. The ACLU submitted a friend-of-the-court brief. After a favorable settlement was reached for the student, the federal lawsuit was dismissed.
http://www.aclu.org/religion/schools/25799prs...

The ACLU and the ACLU of Pennsylvania (2007) prevailed in their case on behalf of an Egyptian Coptic Christian who had been detained and who claimed he had been tortured by the Egyptian government because he refused to convert to Islam. After permitting Sameh Khouzam to stay in the United States for nine years based on evidence that he would probably be tortured if he returned to Egypt, the U.S. government changed its position in 2007 and sought to deport Mr. Khouzam based on diplomatic assurances from the Egyptian government that Mr. Khouzam would not be tortured upon return. As a result of the ACLU's advocacy, a federal court granted Mr. Khouzam an indefinite stay of deportation to Egypt.
http://www.aclupa.org/legal/legaldocket/egypt...

The ACLU of Georgia (2007) filed a federal lawsuit to help obtain a zoning permit for a house of worship on behalf of the Tabernacle Community Baptist Church after the city of East Point denied the request. The city has since repealed the ordinance and churches are now allowed to occupy buildings that were previously used for commercial purposes.
http://www.aclu.org/religion/discrim/25518prs...
http://www.acluga.org/press.releases/0707/chu...

So much for that anti-religion / anti-God falsehood. . .

[Henry Hawk]

I know you hate the Constitution but which part of the government not sponsoring particular religious beliefs do you have difficulty understanding?

Let me ask you this...

Why did the Continental Congress in 1782, give money to the mass printing and distribution of the Bible...

In September 1789, the House of Representatives authorized the first official Thanksgiving. The resolution they passed called for "a day of public thanksgiving and prayer to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many signal favors of Almighty God....

in 1802, Congress framed an "enabling act" which required that Ohio form its state government in a manner "not repugnant to the Northwest Ordinance." As a result, Ohio's constitution declared:

Religion, morality, and knowledge, being essentially necessary to the good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of instruction shall forever be encouraged by legislative provision.

in 1777, Congress, facing a National shortage of `Bibles for our schools, and families, and for the public worship of God in our churches,' announced that they `desired to have a Bible printed under their care & by their encouragement' and therefore ordered 20,000 copies of the Bible to be imported `into the different ports of the States of the Union';

1795 during construction of the Capitol, a practice was instituted whereby `public worship is now regularly administered at the Capitol, every Sunday morning, at 11 o'clock'...

in 1800, Congress enacted naval regulations requiring that Divine service be performed twice every day aboard `all ships and vessels in the navy,' with a sermon preached each Sunday...

the bottom line is...did our forefathers not understand...or does the ACLU just understand it better than the guys who WROTE the Constitution? 

[Exterminator]

You're the one who doesn't understand.   

[Henry Hawk]

You're the one who doesn't understand.  

Thanks for answering my question...

[Palehorse]

How about them suing the Pentagon for sponsoring the Boy Scouts of America?...mainly because of the Boy Scouts have religous beliefs.....I think THAT is crossing the line.....and going TOO far.

The Boy Scouts of America is being chastised because THEY are standing on their own religious convictions....are THEY really a threat to ANYONE?

I simply disagree with the ACLU on this 100%

In 1991, the ACLU Foundation of Southern California successfully brought suit to reinstate the twin boys, then 9 years old, after they were dismissed from Scouting for refusing to take an oath to God. The boys, who do not consider themselves to be atheists, explain that they do not understand what the word God means to them and thus do not feel comfortable taking an oath. After a trial in 1992, the Superior Court of Orange County held that the Orange County Council had discriminated against the boys on the basis of their religious beliefs in violation of California's civil rights statute, known as the Unruh Act.
http://www.aclu-sc.org/releases/view/100083

Nowhere within the ACLU database is there any case referring to them undertaking action(s) against the Pnetagon for sponsorship of Scouting. . . The closest thing I could find was the case above relating to twin boys being booted because they refused to say the word "God" because they did not understand what it meant. And that was against the Scouts for discrimination. Just one of several.

If you have a link to the information documenting the case please post it. I'd like to know what you're talking about. I am suspecting you've been fed bad information.

[mcgonser]

Hawk: They don't and won't get it because they don't want to. When the framers of the Constitution put in to keep state and church separate they meant to keep the government out of the church. But all non believers like to say that it is to keep church out of government. They came from countries that had been ruled by monarchs that  ran their Church's before. This was something that was very precious to them. Otherwise they would not of been so prevalent with Gods name and prayer in their dealings. They wanted the freedom to express their beliefs without being tortured, jailed or killed. They made their wished known, it has just been subverted through out time.

[Locutus]

[Henry Hawk]

Because it's your birthday Hank, I'll attempt to show you one more time how wrong you are about them:

[So much for that anti-religion / anti-God falsehood. . .

Even Satan is a religious being...simply because these guys defended a 'few' cases....I believe their overall agenda is....to push God out of Government, the classroom and the public square, via purely technical "legal" means....even though the Declaration Of Independence, says that our basic human rights are granted by our Creator (God) (and not men)

Thanks for your Birthday kindness...maybe I AM JUST being hard-headed...but it is clear to me, there is an agenda attached that I don't like.....period.