ACLU..

[Henry Hawk]

Here are few reasons why I will NOT support the ACLU:

They was founded by a socialist, with communistic AND socialistic agenda's...

Founder Roger Baldwin is quoted as saying....I am for Socialism, disarmament and ultimately, for the abolishing of the State itself ... I seek the social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class and sole control of those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal.


They have an ANTI-God agenda...seeking removal of anything with the words GOD on it, from our national monuments to our currency....

They clearly have an Anti-Christian agenda......I see it as more of an Atheistic Agenda...

They are against parental consent of minors seeking abortion...

Just to name a few reasons why....

[mcgonser]

[Exterminator]

My guess is that most of the people who share your simplistic views also start sentences with, "They was..."

[mcgonser]

[Palehorse]

Here are few reasons why I will NOT support the ACLU:

They was founded by a socialist, with communistic AND socialistic agenda's...

"He later denounced communism in his book, A New Slavery, which condemned "the inhuman communist police state tyranny". In the 1940s, Baldwin led the campaign to purge the ACLU of Communist Party members." - Robert C. Cottrell "Roger Baldwin: Founder, American Civil Liberties Union 1884-1981. Notable American Unitarians.

Founder Roger Baldwin is quoted as saying....I am for Socialism, disarmament and ultimately, for the abolishing of the State itself ... I seek the social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class and sole control of those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal.


They have an ANTI-God agenda...seeking removal of anything with the words GOD on it, from our national monuments to our currency....

They clearly have an Anti-Christian agenda......I see it as more of an Atheistic Agenda...

They are against parental consent of minors seeking abortion...

Just to name a few reasons why....

Baldwin was a unitarian that despite what you may think of him, was recognized worldwide for his efforts on behalf of civil liberties.

MacArther asked him to help with Japan and he founded the JCLU, for which the Japanese government awarded him the Order of the Rising Sun. Germany and Austria also used him for the very same purposes.

President Carter awarded him the medal of Freedom in 1981.

He also said:

"So long as we have enough people in this country willing to fight for their rights, we'll be called a democracy."

"The great thing about democracy is that it gives every voter a chance to do something stupid."

"To make democracy work, we must be a notion of participants, not simply observers. One who does not vote has no right to complain."

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not."

Roger Baldwin, when reflecting on his life, said that in his early years he not only regularly attended the Unitarian Church in Wellesley Hills, Massachusetts; he also helped to teach in the Sunday School and even listened to the preacher. He added, "I would say that social work began in my mind in the Unitarian Church when I was ten or twelve years old, and I started to do things that I thought would help other people." -
by Robert C. Cottrell, Professor of History and American Studies at California State University

I've already stated my position surrounding the removal of any religious reference within government elsewhere. I agree with the ACLU.

Baldwin in my mind was among the first to realize and understand the American propaganda machine for what it was, and to his credit undertook actions to oppose it. Again among the first and only recently has the general American public come to understand the relevancy of Baldwins' efforts and statements.

http://www.harvardsquarelibrary.org/unitarians/baldwin.html

He was not anti'Christian or Anti-God, nor is the ACLU. As an agnostic-unitarian Baldwins' beliefs were different than those of the main line Christians. He was castigated by Hoover and subjected to the allegations of being a communist, as was the ACLU, via Hoovers well documented dirty tricks mechanisms and propaganda machine.

[Exterminator]

Now that you know the truth, Henry, do you support the ACLU?

[mcgonser]

[Henry Hawk]

It was STILL founded with communist and socialist, agenda's....Roger, MAY have had good intentions...but they have become the BULLY pulpit....the ACLU has become an army of lawyers using the law to enrich itself at the expense of taxpayers and as a means to silence public officials who don't want to be sued personally...

I am all for Civil Liberties....not for the ACLU...

I do NOT agree with many, many issues that the ACLU has defended or attacked...

AND I can give reasons WHY I do NOT support them:

against parental consent of minors seeking abortion...
against the Boy Scouts of America...
there obvious desire to secularize America...
trying to stifle the Minute Men Project...

[Exterminator]

I didn't figure you'd have any interest in dragging yourself from the mud-pit of ignorance which is precisely why I don't waste my time like PH does trying to educate those of you who refuse to learn.

[Henry Hawk]

I didn't figure you'd pull yourself from the mud-pit of ignorance which is precisely why I don't waste my time trying to educate those of you who refuse to learn like PH does.

For what it is worth EX, you HAVE caused me to at least rethink SEVERAL issues over the last few months...maybe not changing my mind, but you have forced me into looking at issues from another angle...in this case, I simply do not agree with the ACLU's agenda....not saying that they have not done good things, but overall, I simply disagree...and I have read even more on this, because of this forum....so I AM learning...not just the way YOU think I should on this.

[Exterminator]

...in this case, I simply do not agree with the ACLU's agenda...

Here is their only agenda; tell us with which parts you disagree:

The ACLU is our nation's guardian of liberty, working daily in courts, legislatures and communities to defend and preserve the individual rights and liberties that the Constitution and laws of the United States guarantee everyone in this country.

These rights include:

Your First Amendment rights - freedom of speech, association and assembly; freedom of the press, and freedom of religion.
Your right to equal protection under the law - protection against unlawful discrimination.

Your right to due process - fair treatment by the government whenever the loss of your liberty or property is at stake.

Your right to privacy - freedom from unwarranted government intrusion into your personal and private affairs.

The ACLU also works to extend rights to segments of our population that have traditionally been denied their rights, including people of color; women; lesbians, gay men, bisexuals and transgender people; prisoners; and people with disabilities.

[Palehorse]

What they are is the last line of defense against the infringement of our rights. As has already been demonstrated in another thread, people have a tendency to misinterpret the agenda and purpose of any initiative undertaken by the ACLU; automatically assuming they support entities like the KKK when they defend the infringement of their rights.

Somebody has to do this and certainly when the rights of a socially unacceptable (according to popular belief) entity is being subjected to illegal infringement of their rights, most private representation will not undertake such an initiative because they themselves will be socially castigated and professionally ruined by the resulting propaganda generated by the opposition.

But for the ACLU, our individual rights would be vastly less than what they are today, based upon the legal precedents that would have been set and the resulting legislation that would have resulted from them.

[Palehorse]

I didn't figure you'd have any interest in dragging yourself from the mud-pit of ignorance which is precisely why I don't waste my time like PH does trying to educate those of you who refuse to learn.

I suppose you are correct. Perhaps it would be better if I just stfu and let them wallow in their sea of ignornace.

[Exterminator]

I suppose you are correct. Perhaps it would be better if I just stfu and let them wallow in their sea of ignornace.

They seem commited.   

[Palehorse]

They seem commited.   

. . . or should be!