Same sex marriage - why such a big deal

[pariann]

mcgonser: Now you have a problem with someone responding to a specific poster?  Public or not, he clearly wasn't responding to you, and stated so.

He didn't tell you to go somewhere else to respond.

[pariann]

Touchy, aren't we? Does your browser not show the little wink in my post .... like this ... ?

Apparently he overlooked the quote of your previous response that indicated who you were specifically responding to.

[Henry Hawk]

If the original bible was written in hebrew and nisueen is the word used in that text, one might be able to make a case for the sanctity of that word but to make a case for the sanctity of every word in every language into which the bible has been translated is absurd.

I am responding with an answer, strictly based upon my view....but marriage, as described throughtout the KJV Bible...is a life long commitment or covenant between a man and a woman...

the term...marriage...has a long history with American roots (I know it goes WAY much deeper)...our forefathers, was raised with MARRIAGE as an extremely sacred event.....up until the last few decades...a marriage WAS take extremely serious and truly was a lifelong commitment...

I feel, that it has already been very tarnished, with divorces being done as easy and simple as getting your drivers licence...

I believe it IS a Sanctified commitment.....and if should ALWAYS be revered that way...but is seems that NOTHING is sacred anymore...and THAT is part of our problems today.

[Exterminator]

You can't arbitrarily decide for everyone that certain words are sacred simply because your religion's book says they are.

[Henry Hawk]

You can't arbitrarily decide for everyone that certain words are sacred simply because your religion's book says they are.

I'm not..just stating an opinion....but, we have a rich history to support it

[pariann]

C'mon Ex, peppered throughout all his posts, he is making the claim it's his belief, explaining his feelings, I don't see him deciding for everyone else what words are sacred, only for himself.  In this case, I believe, you are exaggerating his posting intent.

[Exterminator]

I'm not..just stating an opinion....but, we have a rich history to support it

We had a rich history supporting blacks and women not voting too but we abandoned it...times change.

[Exterminator]

C'mon Ex, peppered throughout all his posts, he is making the claim it's his belief, explaining his feelings, I don't see him deciding for everyone else what words are sacred, only for himself.  In this case, I believe, you are exaggerating his posting intent.

Not even close because while he does state over and over that those are his beliefs, he also supports legislation that make those beliefs law.

[pariann]

People support all kinds of things without outwardly trying to make others believe in them.

I support that we shouldn't have a full time military, but I don't go around pushing that feeling/opinion on everyone else.  (I know that's out of left field, it's just an example.)

[Henry Hawk]

Not even close because while he does state over and over that those are his beliefs, he also supports legislation that make those beliefs law.

and you support legislation based upon YOUR beliefs.........are you TRYING to shove YOUR beliefs down MY throat?

[Bo D]

Touchy, aren't we? Does your browser not show the little wink in my post .... like this ... ?

This is what I was thinking of. Wish I had found it earlier ....

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[Exterminator]

and you support legislation based upon YOUR beliefs.........are you TRYING to shove YOUR beliefs down MY throat?

Uh, no but nice try.  Supporting no legislation that would limit the rights of those different than myself is not the same as supporting legislation that requires it.  What we have here is another perfect example of your wanting the government to stay out of our lives except when doing do offends your religious beliefs.

[Henry Hawk]

Uh, no but nice try.  Supporting no legislation that would limit the rights of those different than myself is not the same as supporting legislation that requires it.  What we have here is another perfect example of your wanting the government to stay out of our lives except when doing do offends your religious beliefs.

THAT is a STRETCH...okay for you NOT to believe...but wrong for me TO believe in a particular legislation...

the people of 46 states feel the same as I do.....it is NOT like I am out campaigning or lobbying for this.....if asked, I will tell how I feel....the people of this land, for now, feel it is NOT is in their States best interest to allow same sex marriage.

maybe it is more of their upbringing, than it is religion....it is who WANT same sex marriage are the ones who are chastising Christians.....and, remember as Christians have every right to vote as they feel...THAT IS in our Constitution..

[Exterminator]

THAT is a STRETCH...okay for you NOT to believe...but wrong for me TO believe in a particular legislation...

Let me try to make this simple enough for even you to understand...

When no law is passed restricting a certain group's right to do something, no one's rights are denied nor is anyone harmed.  Allowing same sex marriage has no effect on your ability to chose not to marry someone of the same sex nor does it in any way infringe on or change traditional marriages in any way.  No one gets hurt.

On the other hand, when a law is passed restricting a certain group's right to do something, that groups rights are directly infringed upon, in this case, for no other reason than they have a different sexual orientation.  They are directly harmed by a law that is entirely based on discrimination against them because they are different.

That is the difference between our two positions...my position of doing nothing harms no one, yours harms a particular group of people.

the people of 46 states feel the same as I do.....it is NOT like I am out campaigning or lobbying for this.....if asked, I will tell how I feel....the people of this land, for now, feel it is NOT is in their States best interest to allow same sex marriage.

It's obvious to me that you hold a great deal of contempt for our Constitution and our system of government but the original intent was to eliminate the possibility of tyranny by the majority meaning that it really doesn't matter how people in how many states are for or against this; they have no right to make that decision for everyone.  That is precisely why it lost a Constitutional challenge last week in Iowa.

maybe it is more of their upbringing, than it is religion....it is who WANT same sex marriage are the ones who are chastising Christians.....and, remember as Christians have every right to vote as they feel...THAT IS in our Constitution.

Garbage.  The entire argument is framed around the sanctity of the word 'marriage' drawn from biblical references.

[Locutus]

Ex, here's the problem as HH and so many others like him see it.



That evil homosexual aura emanating from the gay marriage couple goes and gets in between the marriage of the heterosexual Christian couple.  This can cause all sorts of bad things to happen.  Their children may become drug dealers, prostitutes, or heaven forbid, even HOMOSEXUALS themselves.