Nazi brown shirts again?

[Palehorse]

Religion is orgaized christianity: Believing in God is a free choice. I have no trouble with people who choose not to believe in him. My problem is with people who mock, put down and critisize my choice to worship him. I think that should be a two way street.

The zealots amongst you outnumber you!

[dan foster]

The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.....jsut as written in the Bible.

And Mohammed.  Don't forget Mohmammed.

[dan foster]

You really don't get it Ex: It doesn't matter what we think, but what GOD thinks. He is the judge and jury. As a Christian we try not to get into sematics about this. If you really want to know, it is in his word(Bible), or ask a priest or pastor to help you. I can tell you what I believe all day long, but I do not presume to speak for God. He has an open line. Make the call.

Well, sir.  I have been a christian, but unlike my contemporaries of the time, I read the bible and THAT is the reason I am an atheist.  Impossible shit.  But, just for grins as you are a newbie, here is some of "his" word from the bible.  Tell me what it means to you;

Numbers 31:18
But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

[dan foster]

It may very well be ridiculous....I beleive that God has layed out a pretty simple plan.  He is not asking much out of us...just because WE think His rules may be a little harsh, does not mean they cannot happen.

For me, I think God WILL judge everyone, and knows that WE ALL fall short of His glory...we ALL have the same chances and same choices to make.........I also believe, that He WILL give every one the opportunity to believe or to deny.....His desire is for ALL of us to spend eternity with Him.....I have NO clue, nor will I ever claim I know WHO IS and WHO IS NOT going to move on to paradise with our Lord...Only HE will know and decide.

THAT is MY rock solid belief.

When you can tell us WHY god needs you to spend eternity with him, then you might have some basis for WANTING to spend eternity with him.  Is eternity what the father wants for his son, jesus, and you are just a pet in his petting zoo?  Does he need you to ride that white horse back to earth to kill me for not believing?  Just give us something to go on.

Revelation 19:14
And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

[mcgonser]

And Mohammed.  Don't forget Mohmammed.

Mohmammed is not in the king james Bible. I think you are talking about the Koran or some other book

[dan foster]

The line is busy.   

They tried to reverse the charges, on my call...

[mcgonser]

The zealots amongst you outnumber you!

Actually they don't, they are just more troublesome, outspoken and a burr under my saddle.

[dan foster]

I was being flippant with you. I meant thru prayer you can reach him anytime. I am truly sorry for what ever happened that has made you so angry and disappointed with God and Christians. I hope you allow God to help you through it.

Ah crap.  Here we go again; has to be something wrong or something terrible to have happened to the poor, angry atheist.  If you weren't so easily amused by your own, self delusion, then you would find that real life is much better than the imaginary one christians live in.  Of course, most "christians" are faking it as they can't possibly believe most what they have convinced themselves and others that they believe.

[mcgonser]

Well, sir.  I have been a christian, but unlike my contemporaries of the time, I read the bible and THAT is the reason I am an atheist.  Impossible shit.  But, just for grins as you are a newbie, here is some of "his" word from the bible.  Tell me what it means to you;

Numbers 31:18
But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

It does not matter what I think it means. What did God mean by it? That is the question, You can take one verse out of any chapter and make it what you want to. You have to read the whold contex to get the true meaning.

[dan foster]

Religion is orgaized christianity: Believing in God is a free choice. I have no trouble with people who choose not to believe in him. My problem is with people who mock, put down and critisize my choice to worship him. I think that should be a two way street.

And I believe in your right to worship any way you want (as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else, or is at least among consenting adults), but don't expect the rest of us to just roll over and say "sure, you are right" or "yeah, that craps worth believing in".

[Locutus]

Mohmammed is not in the king james Bible. I think you are talking about the Koran or some other book

I think Dan means that the god of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is also the god of Mohammed. 

[dan foster]

Mohmammed is not in the king james Bible. I think you are talking about the Koran or some other book

Nope.  The koran, bible and torah all worship the single god of abraham.  In other words, those goofy muslims are just as crazy as you are, and you them.  You all believe the same stuff, they just think jesus was another prophet (like Jefferson thought) and you think moosehameggs is just a man (even if he rode a horse to heaven as some muslims believe).  Your guy just has the ability to fly, without the horse 

[dan foster]

It does not matter what I think it means. What did God mean by it? That is the question, You can take one verse out of any chapter and make it what you want to. You have to read the whold contex to get the true meaning.

Right.  Good copout.  "we can't understand his infinite wisdom", blah, blah, blah.  How about a little more context, then.  Try and study this stuff, really hard.  It is easy to read and understand.  Please try this, one more time, in context.  I don't really want to paste the whole goddamn chapter, so just give this a shot...if you think you can justify the needs of the "creator of the universe".

Numbers 3

7And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males.

8And they slew the kings of Midian, beside the rest of them that were slain; namely, Evi, and Rekem, and Zur, and Hur, and Reba, five kings of Midian: Balaam also the son of Beor they slew with the sword.

9And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods.

10And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire.

11And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, both of men and of beasts.

12And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by Jordan near Jericho.

13And Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and all the princes of the congregation, went forth to meet them without the camp.

14And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle.

15And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?

16Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD.

17Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.

18But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

19And do ye abide without the camp seven days: whosoever hath killed any person, and whosoever hath touched any slain, purify both yourselves and your captives on the third day, and on the seventh day.

20And purify all your raiment, and all that is made of skins, and all work of goats' hair, and all things made of wood.

21And Eleazar the priest said unto the men of war which went to the battle, This is the ordinance of the law which the LORD commanded Moses;

[mcgonser]

Nope.  The koran, bible and torah all worship the single god of abraham.  In other words, those goofy muslims are just as crazy as you are, and you them.  You all believe the same stuff, they just think jesus was another prophet (like Jefferson thought) and you think moosehameggs is just a man (even if he rode a horse to heaven as some muslims believe).  Your guy just has the ability to fly, without the horse 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qur'an--Please check out this link.

[mcgonser]

Now, admit it: Putting the whole chapter in does give it a better understanding. What do you think it means??put your mouth where your attitude is. Inform me.