Nazi brown shirts again?

[Exterminator]

It says what it says.  If Christianity was such an influential force in the formation of our Constitution, why is there no mention of god, geebuz or the bible anywhere in that document?

It must really suck to have such shallow beliefs that you constantly need to seek validation.

[Exterminator]

"Our laws and our institutions must necessarily be based upon and embody the teachings of the Redeemer of mankind. It is impossible that it should be otherwise; and in this sense and to this extent our civilization and our institutions are emphatically Christian." - United States Supreme Court, 1892.

Justice David Brewer wrote this in dicta, meaning it is a personal opinion only and not a legal pronouncement and felt obliged to clarify his position, "But in what sense can [the United States] be called a Christian nation? Not in the sense that Christianity is the established religion or the people are compelled in any manner to support it. On the contrary, the Constitution specifically provides that 'Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.' Neither is it Christian in the sense that all its citizens are either in fact or in name Christians. On the contrary, all religions have free scope within its borders. Numbers of our people profess other religions, and many reject all."

[mcgonser]

Because when we are dealing with other countries or territories we don't push our God on them. America is the one who is Under God and is a God fearing nation. Like I said before they were more worried that all religions in America had the freedom to worship without persecution. I believe that all religions have the right to worship their god or gods with out reprisal too. Also the right to not worship a god is just as reverent and should be respected. So we are a god fearing nation we just might worship him in different ways.

[Exterminator]

Because when we are dealing with other countries or territories we don't push our God on them. America is the one who is Under God and is a God fearing nation. Like I said before they were more worried that all religions in America had the freedom to worship without persecution. I believe that all religions have the right to worship their god or gods with out reprisal too. Also the right to not worship a god is just as reverent and should be respected. So we are a god fearing nation we just might worship him in different ways.

Total bullshit...you may be a god fearing person but that doesn't give you the right to ascribe your peculiar superstitious beliefs to the entire country and no matter how loudly you yell it or how much you stomp your feet, that will never change.

[Henry Hawk]

Despite your constant need to attempt to validate your religious beliefs by trying to illustrate how many others may believe the same thing, affiliation with a specific religion does not imply belief in either a god or the bible.  I, for example, was raised as a Catholic.

The Treaty of Tripoli, passed by the U.S. Senate in 1797, read in part: "The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion." The treaty was written during the Washington administration, and sent to the Senate during the Adams administration. It was read aloud to the Senate, and each Senator received a printed copy. This was the 339th time that a recorded vote was required by the Senate, but only the third time a vote was unanimous (the next time was to honor George Washington). There is no record of any debate or dissension on the treaty. It was reprinted in full in three newspapers - two in Philadelphia, one in New York City. There is no record of public outcry or complaint in subsequent editions of the papers.

It doesn't get much clearer than that.

Funny how, unbeliever grasp onto the Treaty of Tripoli as imperical evidence, they over look the THE PARIS PEACE TREATY   of 1783..where is open's in plain english....In the name of the most holy and undivided Trinity

THIS treat WAS negotiated by Ben Franklin and John Adams among others and is truly a foundational document for the United States, because by this Treaty Britian recognized the independence of the United States...and there is no dispute about its validity or its wording...which there IS a dispute on the content of the treaty of tripoli....

[mcgonser]

Total bullshit...you may be a god fearing person but that doesn't give you the right to ascribe your peculiar superstitious beliefs to the entire country and no matter how loudly you yell it or how much you stomp your feet, that will never change.

No, we have to put up with people like you that fear christians and their beliefs so much that you have subverted our right to prayer in school and public places. You mock and put us down at every given chance. You are so obsessed with us that you are trying to remove all reference to God. Well you can take it all away, even our bibles and close our churchs, but you will never take away our beliefs and we will worship anyway. When America quits being a nation under God. God help us all!

[dan foster]

Because when we are dealing with other countries or territories we don't push our God on them. America is the one who is Under God and is a God fearing nation. Like I said before they were more worried that all religions in America had the freedom to worship without persecution. I believe that all religions have the right to worship their god or gods with out reprisal too. Also the right to not worship a god is just as reverent and should be respected. So we are a god fearing nation we just might worship him in different ways.

There is no "him" to worship, especially in the US gov't.  The mistakes in money and the children's pledge of allegiance do not over rule the intentions of our founders to be a secular state.  We are, and no amount of historical revisionist attempts to change that will work.  Our founders knew better.  Too bad so many are so pro-god, but anti-American, these days.

[dan foster]

No, we have to put up with people like you that fear christians and their beliefs so much that you have subverted our right to prayer in school and public places. You mock and put us down at every given chance. You are so obsessed with us that you are trying to remove all reference to God. Well you can take it all away, even our bibles and close our churchs, but you will never take away our beliefs and we will worship anyway. When America quits being a nation under God. God help us all!

And we have put up with people like you trying to take over the gov't, use the gov't to push your religion and want it taught in public schools.  No one is trying to stop you from worshiping or close your churches.  You just can't have my tax dollars for your religion or use the gov't for it.  Sorry.

[Exterminator]

Funny how, unbeliever grasp onto the Treaty of Tripoli as imperical evidence, they over look the THE PARIS PEACE TREATY   of 1783..where is open's in plain english....In the name of the most holy and undivided Trinity

THIS treat WAS negotiated by Ben Franklin and John Adams among others and is truly a foundational document for the United States, because by this Treaty Britian recognized the independence of the United States...and there is no dispute about its validity or its wording...which there IS a dispute on the content of the treaty of tripoli....

Like I said, it must really suck for the so-called 'believers' that their 'faith' is on such shaky ground that if they can't convince themselves our entire country was founded based on their superstitions, the house of cards comes crashing down around them.

[Exterminator]

No, we have to put up with people like you that fear christians and their beliefs so much that you have subverted our right to prayer in school and public places. You mock and put us down at every given chance. You are so obsessed with us that you are trying to remove all reference to God. Well you can take it all away, even our bibles and close our churchs, but you will never take away our beliefs and we will worship anyway. When America quits being a nation under God. God help us all!

You can still pray in school; you simply can't force everyone else to do so.  And if by 'fear' you mean that the prospect of letting people like you dictate to me how I should lived based on your fantasies of an invisible man living in the sky, yes, it is scary.  Our forefathers also recognized the danger in this which is why they worded the Constitution the way they did.

[Henry Hawk]

Like I said, it must really suck for the so-called 'believers' that their 'faith' is on such shaky ground that if they can't convince themselves our entire country was founded based on their superstitions, the house of cards comes crashing down around them.

just stating facts....

and it is the SAME superstition that our Forefathers cherished....they even cherished it enough that it WAS mentioned in ALL of our STATE constitutions....every one of them....

I honestly have respect for NOT pushing it into our National Constitution...it has to be realized before it is worth anything.....for MOST Americans it IS realized, the significance of having a realtionship with God..and the values placed upon liberty and freedom based upon His Divine presence....

[Exterminator]

Yeah because being required to worship and serve are the very hallmarks of liberty and freedom; huh?   

Try as you might, you can't rewrite history no matter how ignorant of it you choose to remain.

[Palehorse]

It strikes me as more than a little ironic that religion now is attempting to impose itself upon government here within the United States.

While it is somewhat true that this country came into existence based upon "freedom of religion", that "freedom" did not identify "a" religion but rather "religion" itself. If a person wanted to worship moles then they are free to do so.

But there was not a singular driver for the formation of this country, but rather many; oppression, taxation, etc. and our founding fathers being the wise men that they were, realized that eventually religion would grow to a point where "it" would strongly desire governance over "the people". This being the case they understood the importance of the separation of church and state and formulated the verbiage so as to be crystal clear on the subject, in the vernacular of the time.

Now, much as he has done with the bible, man wants to reinterpret the language to suit "his" greed for wealth and power. The church has ZERO business in government, and the government has ZERO business in the church. Period.

They are to be separate and stay separate. The second the government tells me that (insert your preferred religion here) is the required faith of the country, is the day I pack my bags and hot hoof it north to Canada. 

[Henry Hawk]

Yeah because being required to worship and serve are the very hallmarks of liberty and freedom; huh?   

Try as you might, you can't rewrite history no matter how ignorant of it you choose to remain.

I'm in good company...no matter HOW ignorant that YOU choose to remain...

Woodrow Wilson said in a,  ...1911 pre-presidential campaign speech... America was born a Christian nation. America was born to exemplify that devotion to the elements of righteousness, which are derived from the revelations of Holy Scriptures. ...Part of the destiny of Americans lies in their daily perusal of this great book of revelations. That if they would see America free and pure they will make their own spirits free and pure by this baptism of the Holy Spirit.

Harry Truman "the man from Independence" was an avid reader. He read the Bible. He said,The fundamental basis of this nation's law was given to Moses on the Mount. The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teaching we get from Exodus and St. Matthew, from Isaiah and St. Paul.

Members of the Supreme Court have acknowledged the significance of our Christian heritage. Some historians recognize John Marshall the greatest Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. He established the authority of the Court as a strong independent third branch of government. He said in a letter to Jasper Adams on May 9, 1833

The American population is entirely Christian,  and with us Christianity and Religion are identified. It would be strange indeed, if with such a people, our institutions did not presuppose Christianity, and did not often refer to it, and exhibit relations with it.

and I can go on and on IF you like...

[Henry Hawk]

They are to be separate and stay separate. The second the government tells me that (insert your preferred religion here) is the required faith of the country, is the day I pack my bags and hot hoof it north to Canada. 

I agree it NEVER should be required...EVER....but on the same note, it should NEVER be denied it historical foundation...the significants that our forefathers spoke about...the importance of God and the Bible is to this country.