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Embryonic Stem Cells Kill

Started by me, March 13, 2009, 12:20:46 AM

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xman

Quote from: me on March 14, 2009, 04:41:10 PM
Excuse me but I'm not reading whack websites in case you hadn't noticed some of the links I put up.  I am not talking about moral or ethical issues nor am I going to believe what I read on the whacko left websites.  What I originally posted is what raised the question on my mind and I'm trying to find information.  Are those of you on the left so sure of what you're being told you just take their word for it instead of trying to find info that you won't bother to find links to put up too?  Forget the politics, moral issues, and ethical issues this happens to be something I'm really interested in and would like to know more about.
Not all medicine is a good thing you know.  My mom was given an arthritis medication and asked about the risks before she took it.  Well, the Dr. told her, "the benefits out weigh the risks", she ended up with lymphoma as a result of taking the medication.  She didn't hurt but was it really worth it when she could have taken something else and not suffered the consequences of that particular medicine?  My daughters mother-in-law had her kidney's shut down and is now in very poor health because of this same medication.  Her son-in-law died as a result of another arthritis medication. Benefits out weigh the risks?  Not in these particular cases they didn't. 
What does that have to do with stem cell research you ask.  Well, same deal, they are saying, "oh this is so great and will cure all kinds of conditions and illnesses", but will it?  What's wrong with questioning it and finding out the pros and cons and discussing it.  Doesn't it behoove us all to be as informed as possible in case we're faced with having to make a decision of whether to have this or which one to go with at some point in the future?  Just because I don't have a medical degree doesn't mean I should just automatically believe everything I'm told and not bother to check it out for myself or learn about certain things.


I have to agree with this. There are so many designer medications out there to which the side effects are simply deadly. A significant part of my medical problems are due to medications which I took without the knowledge of the potential side effects. Most physicians do not tell thier patients of those potentially and permanently dangerous side effects until it is too late.
I will no longer take medication w/o thorough research.

Your questioning of the research is valid.
If Diogenes had looked in the mirror, he would have found a new hobby.

mcgonser

Quote from: kimmi on March 14, 2009, 10:24:41 AM
Should medicine never have come farther than Penicillin?  It works for some but not all but it works so we shouldn't have researched other medicines that could replace it? 

Me when you have your science or medical degree I'll listen, but for now you are just regurgitating when you read in those whack websites.

I always ask questions about any medicines or treatments my doctor suggests. There was a time when we blindly followed their orders, but that has changes. Alot of it due to medications that were touted as wonder drugs and then had devastating side effects for some. It really wasn't the doctors fault most of the time. They believed what the Drug Cos. said
Thats my story and I'm sticking to it!

Exterminator

Quote from: me on March 14, 2009, 04:41:10 PM
Doesn't it behoove us all to be as informed as possible in case we're faced with having to make a decision of whether to have this or which one to go with at some point in the future?

It would behoove you to learn about the subject first, then make comments.  By your own admission, you don't know much about the subject yet you come here and post a thread entited, "Embryonic Stem Cells Kill," clearly indicating your bias.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

me

Quote from: Exterminator on March 15, 2009, 11:30:22 AM
It would behoove you to learn about the subject first, then make comments.  By your own admission, you don't know much about the subject yet you come here and post a thread entited, "Embryonic Stem Cells Kill," clearly indicating your bias.
What your comment clearly indicates is your smug know it all attitude.  FYI my post was put there to do exactly what it has been doing, start a discussion so I could get some input and ideas of where else to look for information.  I also gave my opinion what I thought up to this point concerning what I had read so others could counter. 
Unlike you I do listen to other people's opinions.  I may not always agree with them but I do listen.  All you do is make snide remarks and offer nothing of value to the discussion.
Trump 2020

Exterminator

Quote from: me on March 15, 2009, 11:55:38 AM
Unlike you I do listen to other people's opinions.

Sure you do.   :rolleyes:
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

The Troll

Dear Doctor Me, What would a plumber know about embryonic stem cells research.  I have followed you writting on many things.  As usually you are guessing , surmising, hoping, a few Amens and I think wrong again.

  I know that if I had a terrible disease, I would try about anything to help it, even if I would die.  Because I wouldn't want to live in the condition some of these poor people are living now.  If you don't want to use them, fine.  I would not stop research in embryonic stem cell research.  Especially if they are using stem cell they are going to kill anyway.  Again here we have people who want to stick their nose in someone Else's business and pain.

The Troll,.

dan foster

Quote from: mcgonser on March 13, 2009, 04:30:30 PM
Actually no: I just don't feel compelled to correct everyone on their spelling or grammar. Must be a flaw in me.

Someone kneads too, specially cents their are a spell checker available hear on the bored.
"Wherever morality is based on theology, wherever right is made dependent on divine authority, the most immoral, unjust, infamous things can be justified and established." -- Ludwig Feuerbach, The Essence of Christianity, 1841

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