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Palehorse

#15
March 04, 2009, 11:51:49 AM
1. As was said earlier Henry, if not for the stimulus package the poop storm we are now in would be exponentially larger; effectively negating most current and planned construction projects and multiplying those jobless numbers by at minimum factor of 5 if not more.

2. I agree, spending all this money scares the purple kool aid out of me, but not spending it turns that kool aid red. (Along with giving me a case of the drizzles.)

Letting this country implode is not an option in my mind, and what we had been doing for decades was not and did not work. What we are in now is clear proof of it, and blaming someone who has held office for just over 30 days is a smokescreen.

You are right, congress should be the ones holding the bag on this one. They wrote the legislation, they passed it along with the hat to line their pockets.

I'm telling you all, there is a rebellion in our very near future the likes of which has not been seen before. Chaos will be the norm and jungle rules will prevail.

Get ready . . .
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That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

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Exterminator

#16
March 04, 2009, 12:00:09 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 04, 2009, 11:38:20 AM
and jumping on board (being less divisive) with MORE earmark and pork spending is going to HELP our country how?

Do you really think they should do nothing?
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Henry Hawk

#17
March 04, 2009, 12:00:20 PM
PH, I agree that we NEEDED a stimulus package, I just think we could have achieved a better package for FAR less money that we spent out of pocket (so-to-speak)

although, I'm not as doomesday as you are....I think, we could possibly reach a serious backlash of outrage by the working class of America...

I think also, that recessions come and go........we need more positive leadership at this time....THAT is about ALL washington needs to do........spark consumer confidence.....not spend, spend, spend.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Henry Hawk

#18
March 04, 2009, 12:02:51 PM
Quote from: Exterminator on March 04, 2009, 12:00:09 PM
Do you really think they should do nothing?

Like I just said to PH....I have never stated we should do NOTHING, but I think we just went OVER the top....

and, I think there is still TOO much greedy congressmen looking out for number one, instead of doing what is best for this country.........and THAT has to start with the leadership....imo
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Exterminator

#19
March 04, 2009, 12:05:42 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 04, 2009, 12:00:20 PM
PH, I agree that we NEEDED a stimulus package, I just think we could have achieved a better package for FAR less money that we spent out of pocket (so-to-speak)

Can you provide some examples of how you would have structured a stimulus package?

QuoteI think also, that recessions come and go........we need more positive leadership at this time....THAT is about ALL washington needs to do........spark consumer confidence.....not spend, spend, spend.

Having a cheerleader for president is what got us into this mess.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Palehorse

#20
March 04, 2009, 12:07:37 PM
Quote from: Exterminator on March 04, 2009, 12:05:42 PM
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Having a cheerleader for president is what got us into this mess.

Amen brother! Preach it on!  :yes:
R.I.P. - followsthewolf - You are MISSED! 4/17/2013

That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville

Henry Hawk

#21
March 04, 2009, 12:20:08 PM
Quote from: Exterminator on March 04, 2009, 12:05:42 PM
Can you provide some examples of how you would have structured a stimulus package?

It wouldn't do any good, you would not understand the Conservative approach...I have stated on here before, and you refused to TRY to understand....we have been down this road TOO many times....it no longer makes any difference...the damage is done.
Quote from: Exterminator on March 04, 2009, 12:05:42 PM
Having a cheerleader for president is what got us into this mess.

Bush did NOT get us into this mess...this mess was done by several greedy pricks in washington....from both parties...

this train wreck has been coming on for several years........

I really believe BO, could have avoided MUCH of this, with a more positive attitude, instead of worrying about trying to cover his ass....

unlike Rush, I do NOT want this president to fail.......I just want him to slow down with his liberal agenda's...and do what is best for the country NOT his legacy....I got a family to raise.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Exterminator

#22
March 04, 2009, 12:48:45 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 04, 2009, 12:20:08 PM
It wouldn't do any good, you would not understand the Conservative approach...I have stated on here before, and you refused to TRY to understand....we have been down this road TOO many times....it no longer makes any difference...the damage is done.

Is it beneath you to simply admit that you simply don't know the answer?  I willingly admit that I don't and I have a lot of experience solving complex business problems.

QuoteBush did NOT get us into this mess...this mess was done by several greedy pricks in washington....from both parties...

this train wreck has been coming on for several years........

That's like saying that a ship that hits an iceberg was headed in that direction since the day it was put in the water.  Every prior captain had successfully navigated around the iceberg but it's still their fault that this one could not because they didn't remove the iceberg for him.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Henry Hawk

#23
March 04, 2009, 12:57:32 PM
it is not beneath me ex........but, when I see how we handled previous recessions....and then we go and pass the largest spending bill in the history of the United States....I simply think, we should be looking at similar approaches, rather than doing the opposite.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Exterminator

#24
March 04, 2009, 01:21:09 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 04, 2009, 12:57:32 PM
it is not beneath me ex........but, when I see how we handled previous recessions....and then we go and pass the largest spending bill in the history of the United States....I simply think, we should be looking at similar approaches, rather than doing the opposite.

Really?  Not that the current situation is like previous recessions but in which of those during your lifetime did we not cut taxes and increase spending?
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Henry Hawk

#25
March 04, 2009, 01:35:53 PM
Quote from: Exterminator on March 04, 2009, 01:21:09 PM
Really?  Not that the current situation is like previous recessions but in which of those during your lifetime did we not cut taxes and increase spending?

well if you call 13 dollars a week a stimulus incentive.........and increasing the taxes of most of our entreprenuers...and spending through the roof, AFTER we have given away several BILLION to banks and auto industries...alrighty then.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Exterminator

#26
March 04, 2009, 03:16:46 PM
You are concentrating on minutia and drifting from the bigger picture.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Henry Hawk

#27
March 04, 2009, 03:46:14 PM
Quote from: Exterminator on March 04, 2009, 03:16:46 PM
You are concentrating on minutia and drifting from the bigger picture.

I hope you are right....and time will tell.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Palehorse

#28
March 04, 2009, 03:58:39 PM
I'd hate to hear the caterwauling coming from the peanut gallery had the tax rates just been increased within the same brackets as usual. . .  :rolleyes:

Like cats with their tails in a rat trap!
R.I.P. - followsthewolf - You are MISSED! 4/17/2013

That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville

mcgonser

#29
March 10, 2009, 04:35:05 PM
Our economic crisis is because of greed. There was alot of houses on the market that the banks were holding. They got Washington to let up on the lending rules. Then in turn loaned money for these homes to people who could not afford them for the first year on interest only loans. After they reaped the interest they sold the loan to Freddie and Fannie(goverment backed) who then tried to cash in on the loans. People could not pay the payments and gave up the houses. Freddie and Fannie went broke and got the goverment to bail them out. By the way Bush, Cheney and many others tried to warn the House about this in 2006 and were told it wasn't so. Thats the way it was. JMO
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