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Losing our heads (literally) over multiculturalism

Started by Gardengirl, February 18, 2009, 10:55:10 PM

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Ghost of Jaco

Quote from: Sandy Eggo on February 19, 2009, 11:50:10 AM
All Muslims are not terrorists and all terrorists are not Muslim.

Perhaps you meant, "...nor are all terrorists Muslim", Sandy.
Your point is technically correct. In reality, however, an overwhelming majority of terrorists are indeed Muslim.
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Quote from: Exterminator on February 19, 2009, 09:46:49 AM
Garbage; the intent of that article is clearly to imply that all Muslims think that way.
I didn't happen to read it that way. I took it as an approach with caution article in regards to motives of certain groups of Muslims.
QuotePosted: February 17, 2009
1:00 am Eastern

© 2009

You don't normally hear about beheadings in the United States.

But perhaps you should prepare yourself to hear more about them in the future.

The day before Valentine's Day, which has always been a holiday associated with maximum repression against women in the Islamic world, a Muslim TV executive in New York decapitated his wife.

Mo Hassan, founder of Bridges TV, a station whose mission was "fostering understanding between cultures and diverse populations," cut off the head of his wife, Aasiya Hassan, 37, who had recently filed for divorce. What she got instead was, what I call, "divorce Islamist-style."

By the way, Mrs. Hassan was listed as general manager of the station. Perhaps the couple should have focused on fostering mutual understanding between themselves rather than preaching to Americans unaccustomed to the concept of divorce through beheading.

Mo Hassan wanted to portray Muslims in a more positive light. That was the goal of his TV station.
QuoteBy the way, perhaps you'd like to explore the kind of programming Hassan offered before he was charged with second-degree murder. (I wonder what you have to do to get charged with first-degree murder in New York state?) The Middle East Media Research Institute had monitored Bridges TV to see just what kind of bridges were being built:

One religious figure who appeared Oct. 3 said Muslims have a duty to change America and to increase their numbers to 50 percent of the population from 2 percent. He recommended that Shariah, or Islamic law, be implemented in American courts.


During a roundtable discussion on the Arab-Israeli conflict Oct. 5, one participant offered a solution: "For the Jews to leave and return to Europe."
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Every night, Bridges TV showed a news program, "Talking Points." Its guest Oct. 4 was Imam Mohammad Alo Elahi, whom it described as a leading "interfaith figure." According to his own website, Imam Elahi was a spiritual leader in Ayatollah Khomeini's Iranian navy and also is the leader of "one of the largest mosques in the U.S.," in Dearborn, Mich. The site also describes his meetings with world leaders and shows photographs of him with the spiritual adviser of Hezbollah, Ayatollah Muhammad Hussein Fadlallah; Ayatollah Khomeini; two more recent leaders of Iran and Louis Farrakhan.
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Exterminator

Quote from: Ghost of Jaco on February 19, 2009, 11:55:28 AM
In reality, however, an overwhelming majority of terrorists are indeed Muslim.

In reality, it is entirely subjective.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Sandy Eggo

No Jaco, I meant it as it was posted. That's my posting style ;D
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Palehorse

Quote from: Sandy Eggo on February 19, 2009, 01:39:36 PM
No Jaco, I meant it as it was posted. That's my posting style ;D

Remember Oklahoma City??? As far as I know they were not Muslim. . .  :wink:
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Henry Hawk

Quote from: Palehorse on February 19, 2009, 01:41:44 PM
Remember Oklahoma City??? As far as I know they were not Muslim. . .  :wink:

and they did not behead anyone.........THAT is what the article was about...at least that is what I read...and that is what this post is about.
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Palehorse

Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 19, 2009, 03:00:51 PM
and they did not behead anyone.........THAT is what the article was about...at least that is what I read...and that is what this post is about.

No. . .they just killed a lot of innocent people all at one time; including children.
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Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

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Exterminator

Quote from: Palehorse on February 19, 2009, 03:10:31 PM
No. . .they just killed a lot of innocent people all at one time; including children.

...while talkin' to geebuz on a two-way radio.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Henry Hawk

Quote from: Palehorse on February 19, 2009, 03:10:31 PM
No. . .they just killed a lot of innocent people all at one time; including children.

PH, THAT was not what anybody was talking about.....the article was talking about muslims and beheadings...and it got sidetracked by ex, that it was a bigoted article...and whatever....it seems to me, that this is becoming a place to argue, like to old Hey Martha, rather than discussions...
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Sandy Eggo

I think we're having a fairly decent discussion considering that we started with a bigoted article from the world nut daily. :biggrin:
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Quote from: Sandy Eggo on February 19, 2009, 04:26:51 PM
I think we're having a fairly decent discussion considering that we started with a bigoted article from the world nut daily. :biggrin:
I read it as an article about one guy who is trying to talk for the peace of his religion showing what he is really all about when he beheaded his wife.  It is others who decided that I was lumping the religion as a whole into my comments.  Why do you guy's always have to read so much more into things than are really there?     
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Palehorse

Bottom line: he's a whacknut extremist no matter what religion he supposedly endorsed.

I can see the subliminal suggestion or desire to cast muslims in a bad light from it too though.
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Sandy Eggo

That's my point, PH. Besides, any article from the WND is suspect anyway.
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Here all better now?  :razz:
Muslim TV exec accused of beheading wife in NY       
By CAROLYN THOMPSON, Associated Press Writer Carolyn Thompson, Associated Press Writer – Wed Feb 18, 2:06 am ET

ORCHARD PARK, N.Y. – The crime drips with brutal irony: a woman decapitated, allegedly by her estranged husband, in the offices of the television network the couple founded with the hope of countering Muslim stereotypes.

Muzzammil "Mo" Hassan is accused of beheading his wife last week, days after she filed for divorce. Authorities have not discussed the role religion or culture might have played, but the slaying gave rise to speculation that it was the sort of "honor killing" more common in countries half a world away, including the couple's native Pakistan.

Funeral services for Aasiya Hassan, 37, were Tuesday. Her 44-year-old husband is scheduled to appear for a felony hearing Wednesday.

The Hassans lived in Orchard Park — a well-off Buffalo suburb that hadn't seen a homicide since 1986 — and started Bridges TV there in 2004 with the message of developing understanding between North America and the Middle East and South Asia. The network, available across the U.S. and Canada, was believed to be the first English-language cable station aimed at the rapidly growing Muslim demographic.

Orchard Park Police Chief Andrew Benz said his officers had responded to domestic incidents involving the couple, most recently Feb. 6, the day Mo Hassan was served with the divorce papers and an order of protection.

"I've never heard him raise his voice," said Paul Moskal, who became friendly with the couple while he was chief counsel for the FBI in Buffalo. Moskal would answer questions in forums aired on Bridges TV that were intended to improve understanding between Muslim-Americans and law enforcement.

"His personal life kind of betrayed what he tried to portray publicly," Moskal said.

On Feb. 12, Hassan went to a police station and told officers his wife was dead at the TV studio.

"We found her laying in the hallway the offices were off of," Benz said. Aasiya Hassan's head was near her body.

"I don't know if (the method of death) does mean anything," said the chief, who would not discuss what weapon may have been used. "We certainly want to investigate anything that has any kind of merit. It's not a normal thing you would see."

Hassan was not represented by an attorney at an initial appearance on a charge of second-degree murder. Neither police nor the Erie County district attorney's office knew if he had hired a lawyer.

The New York president of the National Organization for Women, Marcia Pappas, condemned prosecutors for referring to the death as an apparent case of domestic violence.

"This was, apparently, a terroristic version of 'honor killing,'" a statement from NOW said.

Nadia Shahram, who teaches family law and Islam at the University at Buffalo Law School, explained honor killing as a practice still accepted among fanatical Muslim men who feel betrayed by their wives.

"If a woman breaks the law which the husband or father has placed for the wife or daughter, honor killing has been justified," said Shahram, who was a regular panelist on a law show produced by Bridges TV. "It happens all the time. It's been practiced in countries such as Pakistan and in India."

Acquaintances said Mo Hassan was not overtly religious — co-workers did not see him pray, for instance. But he seemed to adhere to many traditional practices.

Nancy Sanders, the television station's news director for 2 1/2 years, remembers him asking her to move her feet during her job interview so he would not see her legs. She was wearing a skirt and stockings.

He also would not let women enter his office unless his wife was there, and he blocked the station from airing a story about the first Muslim woman to win the title of Miss England in 2005, Sanders said.

Acquaintances said Aasiya Hassan was trained as an architect. Sanders described her as obedient to her husband, and that she wore a traditional hijab for a time but later stopped without explanation.

"She was beautiful, small, delicately built," she said, "while Mo would fill up a door frame. I always thought of him as a gentle giant."

Sanders, who left Bridges TV a year ago, said co-workers traded stories about Hassan's apparent violent streak, including one which had him running his wife's car off the road while the couple's two young children were inside. Aasiya herself never spoke of it, she said.

"I just do not feel it was an honor killing," Sanders added. "I think it was domestic abuse that got out of control."

Erie County District Attorney Frank Sedita did not immediately respond to The Associated Press' request for a copy of the order of protection issued against Mo Hassan. Divorce records are sealed in New York state. Aasiya Hassan's lawyer would not reveal the reasons for the divorce filing.

Hassan graduated with an MBA from the Simon School of Business at the University of Rochester in 1996, according to the TV station's Web site. Bridges broadcasts all over the United States and in Canada on various cable providers and Verizon FiOS. As of 6 p.m. Tuesday, the network was not broadcasting in the Buffalo area.

There was no answer at the network on Tuesday and it's Web site has a message saying Bridges is shocked and saddened and requests privacy.



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