Those Against Abortion yet Pro-Capital Punishment and War

[me]

How is a cockroach any lessor form of "life" than a 2 wek old fetus, when it can make choices, exercise "will", choose a path?

Roach's are insects.  They lay eggs and do not nurture their young in any way shape or form nor do they become attached to them, they aren't even there for the birth. 

[Palehorse]

Roach's are insects.  They lay eggs and do not nurture their young in any way shape or form nor do they become attached to them, they aren't even there for the birth. 

It is still cellular growth. . . and by the definition some seem to impart to it, "life".

[me]

It is still cellular growth. . . and by the definition some seem to impart to it, "life".

Plants are made up of cellular growth and have young too but would you use them in comparison?  By definition you could you know.  IMO comparing either to humans is like apples to oranges.

[Exterminator]

IMO comparing either to humans is like apples to oranges.

How very presumptuous of you to assume that you are able to understand your god's plan and decide for him which species are more important than the others.  Either you respect life...all life...or you don't.  If your ability to breed is beautiful and wondrous and a miracle, so is a cockroach's...if either is not then neither is.

One could argue that, if there is a god, he prefers cockroaches to humans; they have, after all, survived events on the planet that man could not.

[Exterminator]

Roach's are insects.  They lay eggs and do not nurture their young in any way shape or form nor do they become attached to them, they aren't even there for the birth. 

Just because you don't understand their community structure, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

[Exterminator]

this is a pissing match that could go on for ever........I have given PROOF and quotes that differs from your stance...

If I had a dollar for every time I've seen you spanked on this specific topic, I could retire.

although that is arguable....71 percent of self-described pro-choice voters would significantly restrict abortion......

Uh, they're still "pro-choice".   

[Henry Hawk]

are you seriously trying to make a comparison of human life to cockroach life?.........

maybe THAT is the problem we have here.............is that the science world does not/can not put a price on human life...it is JUST another cluster of cells.........I can give a rats ass about cockroaches.......but to KILL an INNOCENT BABY....for the sake of ego....is something that many millions of Americans find repulsive...and will NOT sit back and not give a voice to the unborn....that is the way I feel about this.

[me]

How very presumptuous of you to assume that you are able to understand your god's plan and decide for him which species are more important than the others.  Either you respect life...all life...or you don't.  If your ability to breed is beautiful and wondrous and a miracle, so is a cockroach's...if either is not then neither is.

One could argue that, if there is a god, he prefers cockroaches to humans; they have, after all, survived events on the planet that man could not.

IMO it would be far better, and cheaper, to provide those who don't want children with either sterilization or a form of birth control that works.

[Henry Hawk]

If I had a dollar for every time I've seen you spanked on this specific topic, I could retire.

you would be broke, pal.............you have never come close to spanking anyone on this topic.........there is quote, after quote, after quote, after quote.........with the VAST majority of our founding fathers that place God AND the Bible as cornerstones to our daily lives....PALeeze EX...........this is the wrong thread, but you are brainwashed into picking up a few quotes takin the wrong way...and spinning them into YOUR way of thinking........period.

Uh, they're still "pro-choice".  

and even THEY are against MOST abortions.....and think there should be laws to enforce them.

it comes down to standing up and doing what is right NOT, what the mionrity thinks, so they won't offend someone.

[Exterminator]

are you seriously trying to make a comparison of human life to cockroach life?.........

maybe THAT is the problem we have here.............is that the science world does not/can not put a price on human life...it is JUST another cluster of cells.........I can give a rats ass about cockroaches.......but to KILL an INNOCENT BABY....for the sake of ego....is something that many millions of Americans find repulsive...and will NOT sit back and not give a voice to the unborn....that is the way I feel about this.

Ego is exactly that which leads people to believe that theirs are the the only lives that are sacred in their "god's" grand plan above all other species.

[Exterminator]

you would be broke, pal.............you have never come close to spanking anyone on this topic.........there is quote, after quote, after quote, after quote.........with the VAST majority of our founding fathers that place God AND the Bible as cornerstones to our daily lives....PALeeze EX...........this is the wrong thread, but you are brainwashed into picking up a few quotes takin the wrong way...and spinning them into YOUR way of thinking........period.

Bullshit!

...and even THEY are against MOST abortions.....and think there should be laws to enforce them.

There are laws to enforce them.

it comes down to standing up and doing what is right NOT, what the mionrity thinks, so they won't offend someone.

Correct; what is right is for a woman to have that choice, not what the minority (pro-lifers) think so they won't be offended.

[Sandy Eggo]

Maybe that's why I have such a hard time with the abortion thing.  I think of the fetus as a child at the moment of conception because to me thats what it is, a growing child who needs my body to nurture it. 

Quite honestly, that's how I felt as well. We have to separate "feelings" from "science". Scientifically, that's inaccurate AND we can't expect everyone to "feel" the same way we do.

That's the point. You can feel that way. You can choose to keep an unwanted pregnancy, but you can't make that choice for someone else.

[Palehorse]

are you seriously trying to make a comparison of human life to cockroach life?.........

maybe THAT is the problem we have here.............is that the science world does not/can not put a price on human life...it is JUST another cluster of cells.........I can give a rats ass about cockroaches.......but to KILL an INNOCENT BABY....for the sake of ego....is something that many millions of Americans find repulsive...and will NOT sit back and not give a voice to the unborn....that is the way I feel about this.

I am not; by the scientific definition of human life, neither is life from my perspective. And once science is able to establlish the real start of human life beyond a reasonable doubt, a lot of people wrongly convicted for the death of a human fetus during the commission of a crime will have their cases re-tried.

Innocence cannot be claimed minus the ability to exercise judgment and initiate choice; neither of which is a "fetus" capable of.

[Ghost of Jaco]

I don't see a fetus as a clump of nonviable cells either.    I'm rather shocked by the term. 

To commit genocide you first have to depersonalize your intended victims so the general populace will stop finding the murder of such abhorrent. 
See: WWI, The Third Reich, Mein Kampf, the Holocaust, etc.

The German people allowed the Jewish Holocaust to occur because they had been conditioned by Hitler to view the Jews as something less than human.
Perhaps he called them "alive, but not really human beings".

Maybe he convinced the German people that the Jews were merely "non-viable clumps of cells", thereby making it quite easy to dispatch them with, well, dispatch.

[Palehorse]

Ugh. . . Now my brain hurts. (I know. . . it can't; but it does none the less!). . .

I'm off of this subject for awhile. . .