Those Against Abortion yet Pro-Capital Punishment and War

[Dexter Morgan]

And that would be different from your usual manner of debate exactly how?
For example:That sure reads like  a "stupid generalization" to me, as well as stereotyping, PLUS you don't know the definition of the word, "neocon". You use it out of context very frequently, making yourself look, to be specific, stupid.

Hey! I looked up "projection":
Here's what I found:
In psychology, psychological projection (or projection bias) is a defense mechanism in which one attributes one's own unacceptable or unwanted thoughts and/or emotions to others. According to Wade, Tavris (2000) projection occurs when a person's own unacceptable or threatening feelings are repressed and then attributed to someone else...
See "dan foster" at The Unknown Zone for examples of this type of defense mechanism at work

You keep trying to bully your way through thread after thread and we keep proving you the fool that you are. Don't you ever get enough?
You are most entertaining, though, I must say. Some of the best laughs I get are reading your latest, "I hate religion, and if you don't hate it too then you are a neocon" diatribe. You come across as a caricature of a Socialist/Communist Archie Bunker, lol!.

I think I love you!!! 

[Dexter Morgan]

i am now convinced that you may be slightly ---retarded----

[Dexter Morgan]

You know, I didn't think of any of my kids as clumps of nonviable cells at any point during my pregnancy's. 

I don't see a fetus as a clump of nonviable cells either.    I'm rather shocked by the term. 

[Dexter Morgan]

I may be wrong for butting in, but it seems like we are getting off track, when we refer to a woman having an abortion, because she doesn't want her body to get fat and ugly..........as part of ANY natural process........

i understand the arguement of pushing ones "beliefs" into a law.........but, I will, until the day I die, defend the right to life, for those yet to be born.......because it IS my belief that it is wrong to kill a baby, simply because the mother does NOT want to be pregnant.

Exactly HH!!!   

[Dexter Morgan]

I'm not exactly sure why but.... I'm sitting here with my chin on the ground from shock!!!  Maybe, it's because I think children are a gift that not everybody can have ,and when I hear of them being referred to as inviable clumps of cells and parasites... I'm... just.... wow.... speechless. 

[Sandy Eggo]

I'm not exactly sure why but.... I'm sitting here with my chin on the ground from shock!!!  Maybe, it's because I think children are a gift that not everybody can have ,and when I hear of them being referred to as inviable clumps of cells and parasites... I'm... just.... wow.... speechless. 

Nobody referred to children as nonviable clumps of cells. The key is understanding the difference.

[me]

Nobody referred to children as nonviable clumps of cells. The key is understanding the difference.

Maybe that's why I have such a hard time with the abortion thing.  I think of the fetus as a child at the moment of conception because to me thats what it is, a growing child who needs my body to nurture it. 

[awol]

I thought about that...but cancer cells are still the person's cells, just on growth-overdrive. At least, that's how I understand it, but I didn't even stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night, let alone am I a doctor.

So, by my logic, that may be the case. Like I said, the argument sure opens up a host of other questions.
Maybe cancer is another "corner case".
What do you think?

wow, given all the exceptions to your hard and fast rule that have popped up in just the last day or so, perhaps you need to revise your definition...

[Exterminator]

and if the people choose to enact a law to protect a fetus?

How would you feel about a law that prevented people below a certain IQ from having children by forcing them to be sterilized before they are old enough to breed?  I mean, if it's the people's choice and what not...

[Exterminator]

Maybe that's why I have such a hard time with the abortion thing.  I think of the fetus as a child at the moment of conception because to me thats what it is, a growing child who needs my body to nurture it. 

I'm sure cockroaches feel the same way about their eggs; would you not exterminate your home because you'd be destroying "God's little miracles"?

[Henry Hawk]

How would you feel about a law that prevented people below a certain IQ from having children by forcing them to be sterilized before they are old enough to breed?  I mean, if it's the people's choice and what not...

Well, to me, that is the great thing about being an American........and the whole process that was developed here.......I believe that Americans, as a whole, are a great breed of human beings...and the society that has been created....USUALLY does the right things.....bibical values..ARE...the cornerstones of our moral living.....like it or believe it or not.........our forefathers believed in a Creator and place value upon good moral living........if a day did come where...people below a certain IQ from having children by forcing them to be sterilized...and THAT became an acceptable "NORM" for our society........I would probably be looking for a new country to move my family to..

I think the voice of the people should control what is right and what is wrong...and set the standards of living........THAT is what a democracy IS.....our representatives, is suppose to be an extention of the voice of the people........if the people of a particular state believes that abortions should or should not be legal....then, though I may not agree with the outcome....that is the way it should be.

[Exterminator]

Well, to me, that is the great thing about being an American........and the whole process that was developed here.......I believe that Americans, as a whole, are a great breed of human beings...and the society that has been created....USUALLY does the right things.....bibical values..ARE...the cornerstones of our moral living...

No, moral values precede the bible; writing them down and calling it "God's word" is simply attributing something innate to superstition.

[/quote]...like it or believe it or not.........our forefathers believed in a Creator and place value upon good moral living....[/quote]

As has been illustrated to you over and over again, most of our forefathers were deists who generally rejected the notion that divine revelation is the source of truth or morality so while they did, in fact, place value on good, moral living, they did not base that on religion or the bible.

....if a day did come where...people below a certain IQ from having children by forcing them to be sterilized...and THAT became an acceptable "NORM" for our society........I would probably be looking for a new country to move my family to...

Depending on when that day came and where the line was drawn, you might not have a family to move.

I think the voice of the people should control what is right and what is wrong...and set the standards of living........THAT is what a democracy IS.....our representatives, is suppose to be an extention of the voice of the people...

So if the people decide that dumb people shouldn't breed, you're down with it?

....if the people of a particular state believes that abortions should or should not be legal....then, though I may not agree with the outcome....that is the way it should be.

On the abortion issue, that is the way it is; the majority of the people in this country believe that it should be the decision of the mother.

[me]

I'm sure cockroaches feel the same way about their eggs; would you not exterminate your home because you'd be destroying "God's little miracles"?

That is a ridiculous comparison.

[Palehorse]

That is a ridiculous comparison.

How is a cockroach any lessor form of "life" than a 2 wek old fetus, when it can make choices, exercise "will", choose a path?

[Henry Hawk]

As has been illustrated to you over and over again, most of our forefathers were deists who generally rejected the notion that divine revelation is the source of truth or morality so while they did, in fact, place value on good, moral living, they did not base that on religion or the bible.

this is a pissing match that could go on for ever........I have given PROOF and quotes that differs from your stance...

So if the people decide that dumb people shouldn't breed, you're down with it?

No, it does not mean I'm "down" with it.........I will protest it and fight against it....(maybe..)...but that IS American...and I have more confidence that THAT will never happen........but if it does.....I will deal with it then.

On the abortion issue, that is the way it is; the majority of the people in this country believe that it should be the decision of the mother.

although that is arguable....71 percent of self-described pro-choice voters would significantly restrict abortion......