Global Warming

[Palehorse]

http://www.drroyspencer.com/global-warming-natural-or-manmade/

for those of you who honestly want to hear the opposing views, that I concur with.....check this out carefully.

I have read both sides all evening, and I still but cannot buy into it.  It is my belief that science and politics have collided on a course, to achieve an agenda. 

or, if it is in your best interest to continue to mock and ridicule and slam anyone that opposes your thoughts, that's okay with me too...

From your source:

. . .Earth's atmosphere contains natural greenhouse gases (mostly water vapor, carbon dioxide, and methane) which act to keep the lower layers of the atmosphere warmer than they otherwise would be without those gases. Greenhouse gases trap infrared radiation — the radiant heat energy that the Earth naturally emits to outer space in response to solar heating. Mankind's burning of fossil fuels (mostly coal, petroleum, and natural gas) releases carbon dioxide into the atmosphere and this is believed to be enhancing the Earth's natural greenhouse effect. As of 2008, the concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere was about 40% to 45% higher than it was before the start of the industrial revolution in the 1800's. . .

EXACTLY what many have been telling you already on here, and what the data validates!

Your sources interpretation of the Climate Sensitivity Figuring is an ongoing debate within the scientific community, however the previously mentioned data and statement are increasingly considered the smoking gun surrounding validation of human-kinds contributions in all of this.

Carbon dioxide and other air pollution that is collecting in the atmosphere like a thickening blanket, trapping the sun's heat and causing the planet to warm up. Coal-burning power plants are the largest U.S. source of carbon dioxide pollution -- they produce 2.5 billion tons every year. Automobiles, the second largest source, create nearly 1.5 billion tons of CO2 annually. these facts validate  that human emissions are exacerbating the problem and accelerating the time lines.

[dan foster]

From your source:

. . .Earth's atmosphere contains natural greenhouse gases (mostly water vapor, carbon dioxide, and methane) which act to keep the lower layers of the atmosphere warmer than they otherwise would be without those gases. Greenhouse gases trap infrared radiation — the radiant heat energy that the Earth naturally emits to outer space in response to solar heating. Mankind's burning of fossil fuels (mostly coal, petroleum, and natural gas) releases carbon dioxide into the atmosphere and this is believed to be enhancing the Earth's natural greenhouse effect. As of 2008, the concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere was about 40% to 45% higher than it was before the start of the industrial revolution in the 1800's. . .

EXACTLY what many have been telling you already on here, and what the data validates!

Your sources interpretation of the Climate Sensitivity Figuring is an ongoing debate within the scientific community, however the previously mentioned data and statement are increasingly considered the smoking gun surrounding validation of human-kinds contributions in all of this.

Carbon dioxide and other air pollution that is collecting in the atmosphere like a thickening blanket, trapping the sun's heat and causing the planet to warm up. Coal-burning power plants are the largest U.S. source of carbon dioxide pollution -- they produce 2.5 billion tons every year. Automobiles, the second largest source, create nearly 1.5 billion tons of CO2 annually. these facts validate  that human emissions are exacerbating the problem and accelerating the time lines.

If they don't get it, they never will.  Of course, the ones that don't think their fairly god-dad gave them the planet to fuck up any way they want, and will pull them to heaven (if they just close their eyes, wave their heads over their head, and wish hard enough) before the "final" nail is driven by our stupidity.  The sad thing is, if we hadn't dumped so much particulates into the atmosphere and blocked some of the photons from reaching the surface, we would already be about 5 degrees warmer and truly fucked.  We have actually masked a large percentage of global warming with man-made pollution.  Ironic, isn't it?  But, when the Greenland ice sheet slips into the Atlantic, reduces the salinity of the pond and stops the global heat conveyor of the currents, then we plunge into deep freeze (in less than 10yrs), the quiescent state of this planet.  We won't need anymore proof of global warming or the fact that WE did it to ourselves (although we will wish for the high temps again when the equatorial regions are glaciated).

[me]

Here's a list of the officers from my source:

Frances Beinecke, Executive Director; Co-founder, The New York League of Conservation Voters
Robert Redford, Trustee and Director; Film actor & director; Manager, the Redford Foundation
Laurance Rockefeller, Trustee; Private philanthropist; Former chairman, Rockefeller Brothers Fund; Former chairman, Citizens Advisory Committee on Environmental Quality; Trustee, the Laurance Rockefeller Charitable Trust
John H. Adams, President & Co-founder; Former Assistant US Attorney (New York)
Adam Albright, Vice Chair; Board member, Redefining Progress; Board Chair, Population Communications International; Program Chair, Conservation International
Richard E. Ayres, Co-founder & Treasurer; Partner, Howrey & Simon; Former chairman, National Clean Air Coalition
Linda Geer, Health & Environment Program Director; Former staff scientist, Environmental Defense; Former technical director, Hazardous Waste Treatment Council
Alan Horn,Vice Chair; Chairman & Chief Operating Officer, Warner Brothers
Burks Lapham, Vice Chair; Chairman, Concern Inc.; Director, Chesapeake Bay Foundation
Alan Metrick, Director of Communications; Former Partner, The PR Consulting Group (New York City); Former Exec VP, David M. Grant Inc.
Kathleen Scheg, Legislative Director
Frederick A. O. Schwartz, Jr., Chairman of the Board; Partner, Cravath Swaine & Moore; Former NYC corporation counsel (under Mayor Ed Koch)
Gregory Wetstone, Legislative Director; Former environmental chief counsel, US Congressional Health and Environment Subcommittee; Author, "Acid Rain in Europe and North America"
George Woodwell; Vice Chair; Founding Director, Woods Hole Research Center

The trustees


Frederick A.O. Schwarz, Jr.; Chair - Senior Counsel, Cravath, Swaine & Moore
Adrian W. DeWind; Chair Emeritus - Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison
Adam Albright; Vice Chair - Private investor; Environmentalist
Patricia Bauman; Vice Chair - Co-Director, Bauman Foundation
Robert J. Fisher; Vice Chair - Board member, Sun Microsystems; Chair, GAP Inc.
Alan Horn; Vice Chair - President and COO, Warner Brothers
Daniel R. Tishman; Vice Chair - Chair and CEO, Tishman Construction Corp. of New York
Henry R. Breck; Treasurer - Chair, Ark Asset Management Co., Inc.
John H. Adams; Founding Director - Chair, Open Space Institute
Richard E. Ayres, Esq. - The Ayres Law Group
Joy Covey - President, Beagle Foundation
Laurie P. David - Producer; Activist
Leonardo DiCaprio - Actor; Environmentalist
John E. Echohawk - Executive Director, Native American Rights Fund
Bob Epstein - Co-Founder, Sybase, Inc., Colorado Microdisplay, and Britton-Lee
Michael C. Finnegan - Managing Director, J.P. Morgan Securities
Michel Gelobter, Ph.D. - Executive Director, Redefining Progress
Jill Tate Higgins - Private investor; General Partner, Lakeside Enterprises, L.P.
Charles E. Koob, Esq. - Partner, Simpson, Thacher & Bartlett
Philip B. Korsant - Member, Ziff Brothers Investments
Ruben Kraiem - Partner, Covington and Burling
Nicole Lederer - Co-Founder, Environmental Entrepreneurs (E2)
Maya Lin - Artist; Designer
Shelly B. Malkin - Landscape painter; Conservationist
Josephine A. Merck - Artist
Peter A. Morton - Chair/founder, Hard Rock Hotel, Inc.
Daniel Pauly - Director, Fisheries Centre, University of British Columbia
Frederica Perera, Ph.D. - Professor, Joseph L. Mailman School of Public Health at Columbia University
Robert Redford - Actor; Director; Conservationist
Cruz Reynoso - Professor of Law, University of California at Davis
Laurance Rockefeller - Conservationist
Jonathan F.P. Rose - President, Jonathan Rose Companies LLC, Affordable Housing Development Corporation
Thomas W. Roush, M.D. - Physician
Christine H. Russell, Ph.D. - Environmentalist; Foundation director
Wendy Kirby Schmidt - Designer, Allied Member of ASID
James Gustave Speth - Dean, Yale School of Forestry and Environmental Studies
James Taylor - Singer; Songwriter
Frederick A. Terry, Jr. - Senior Counsel, Sullivan & Cromwell
Elizabeth R. Wiatt - Environmentalist; Co-founder, NRDC Action Forum
George M. Woodwell, Ph.D. - Director, Woods Hole Research Center

. . .

You got a car dealer?

How amazing that the largest percentage are dem's.  Just boggles the mind don't it?  Actors, directors, song writers, attorney's, damn what a bunch of geniuses ya got there.  Oh ya, there are a few scatterings of PHD's there but not near enough to prove a thing to me.  Oh, tree huggers call themselves "environmentalists" too. 

[Henry Hawk]

From your source:

. . .Earth's atmosphere contains natural greenhouse gases (mostly water vapor, carbon dioxide, and methane) which act to keep the lower layers of the atmosphere warmer than they otherwise would be without those gases. Greenhouse gases trap infrared radiation — the radiant heat energy that the Earth naturally emits to outer space in response to solar heating. Mankind's burning of fossil fuels (mostly coal, petroleum, and natural gas) releases carbon dioxide into the atmosphere and this is believed to be enhancing the Earth's natural greenhouse effect. As of 2008, the concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere was about 40% to 45% higher than it was before the start of the industrial revolution in the 1800's. . .

EXACTLY what many have been telling you already on here, and what the data validates!

Your sources interpretation of the Climate Sensitivity Figuring is an ongoing debate within the scientific community, however the previously mentioned data and statement are increasingly considered the smoking gun surrounding validation of human-kinds contributions in all of this.

Carbon dioxide and other air pollution that is collecting in the atmosphere like a thickening blanket, trapping the sun's heat and causing the planet to warm up. Coal-burning power plants are the largest U.S. source of carbon dioxide pollution -- they produce 2.5 billion tons every year. Automobiles, the second largest source, create nearly 1.5 billion tons of CO2 annually. these facts validate  that human emissions are exacerbating the problem and accelerating the time lines.

I can even go along with this:

The 'consensus' of opinion is that the Earth's climate sensitivity is quite high, and so warming of about 0.25 deg. C to 0.5 deg. C (about 0.5 deg. F to 0.9 deg. F) every 10 years can be expected for as long as mankind continues to use fossil fuels as our primary source of energy.

But this cannot be dismissed, because it is a more likely scenerio...

The case for natural climate change I also present an analysis of the Pacific Decadal Oscillation which shows that most climate change might well be the result of....the climate system itself! Because small, chaotic fluctuations in atmospheric and oceanic circulation systems can cause small changes in global average cloudiness, this is all that is necessary to cause climate change.

and the bottom line is....as Spencer points out is....Climate change — it happens, with or without our help.

and before we go all commando with - cap and tax, carbon rationing, posing massive taxes and fines and destroying economies and surrendering all of our rights to a Political controlled regime....Let's approach this logically and rationally....enough of the Al Gore bullshit...Like his shouting statements that "we have 10 years left to save the planet from a scorching"...Jan, 2006.

He is part of a creating billion dollar industry which he is cashing in quite well....I think the root to this is the same as many of you claim religion is doing....about controlling the masses and gaining power.

[LOsborne]

How amazing that the largest percentage are dem's.  Just boggles the mind don't it?  Actors, directors, song writers, attorney's, damn what a bunch of geniuses ya got there. 

I am in awe of your ability to determine a person's political persuasion from his occupation. Didn't Ronald Reagan call himself an actor? And Ted Nugent is a song writer. Are they just aberrations, or are you once again making pronouncements based on "common sense" rather than actual data?

[me]

I am in awe of your ability to determine a person's political persuasion from his occupation. Didn't Ronald Reagan call himself an actor? And Ted Nugent is a song writer. Are they just aberrations, or are you once again making pronouncements based on "common sense" rather than actual data?

No, statements I've heard them make or seen in article interviews. 

[Sandy Eggo]

Links?

[Sandy Eggo]

BTW, Ex, I think you owe rocks an apology.

[Exterminator]

...this world is not getting hotter because of man...

Anyone who takes the position that man's activities can't affect the earth's climate in a huge way is blissfully ignorant of what caused the dustbowl in North America in the 1930's.

[Exterminator]

BTW, Ex, I think you owe rocks an apology.

Indeed I do.

[The Troll]

How amazing that the largest percentage are dem's. Just boggles the mind don't it? Actors, directors, song writers, attorney's, damn what a bunch of geniuses ya got there. Oh ya, there are a few scatterings of PHD's there but not near enough to prove a thing to me. Oh, tree huggers call themselves "environmentalists" too.

  What is your PHD in, The Science of applied Bull Shit, with honors.

[Palehorse]

. . .
and the bottom line is....as Spencer points out is....Climate change — it happens, with or without our help.

and before we go all commando with - cap and tax, carbon rationing, posing massive taxes and fines and destroying economies and surrendering all of our rights to a Political controlled regime....Let's approach this logically and rationally....enough of the Al Gore bullshit...Like his shouting statements that "we have 10 years left to save the planet from a scorching"...Jan, 2006.

He is part of a creating billion dollar industry which he is cashing in quite well....I think the root to this is the same as many of you claim religion is doing....about controlling the masses and gaining power.

Yes, but our help accelerates the whole process by overwhelming the earths ability to naturally remediate the poisons and particulates, allowing them to accumulate, etc., etc., etc.

I don't give one rats ass about Al Gore and what he did or did not say or do. I am talking about the fact that our great grandchildren are going to fry like fatback in a skillet unless we do something about this NOW, and not later. . .

Wait a minute, if cleaning up the environment creates a multi billion dollar industry, wouldn't that equate to jobs and growth of the economy?

[Bo D]

  What is your PHD in, The Science of applied Bull Shit, with honors.

Didn't you know? She watches the History Channel and Planet Earth!!!! 

And I'll even bet that somewhere along the way, she stayed in a Holiday Inn Express!

[Bo D]

Yes, but our help accelerates the whole process by overwhelming the earths ability to naturally remediate the poisons and particulates, allowing them to accumulate, etc., etc., etc.

Sorta like picking at a scab. It takes it longer to heal. 

[Palehorse]

How amazing that the largest percentage are dem's.  Just boggles the mind don't it?  Actors, directors, song writers, attorney's, damn what a bunch of geniuses ya got there.  Oh ya, there are a few scatterings of PHD's there but not near enough to prove a thing to me.  Oh, tree huggers call themselves "environmentalists" too.

No, statements I've heard them make or seen in article interviews. 

Links?

Links? We are STILL waiting!

Didn't you know? She watches the History Channel and Planet Earth!!!! 

And I'll even bet that somewhere along the way, she stayed in a Holiday Inn Express!

Yep! That trumps a PhD, and all the research of scientists and environmental experts from Woods Hole and every other organization concerned with our environment!