Global Warming

[The Troll]

Let me ask you this...... Plant life requires CO2 to live so what happens if too much is taken out of the air?  Will plant life start to die out?  Will our air become more polluted than it already is because plants will no longer have the CO2 they need to produce oxygen?  Since when did CO2 become a bad thing?

  If you know all bout the oxygen/CO2 cycle because you have watch all of those science show.  Why did you ask such a stupid quesion like you asked above.

  Now, I know you want me to call you names, like stupid, fool, asshole, dumbass, know it all, idiot and several name someone who might be telling the truth about about you.  But today I won't lower myself to such a Republican thing, a thing of calling you stupid, fool, asshole, dumbass, know it all, idiot.  I let your enemies do that.  Because I     you.

  If I did that you would accuse me on attacking the poster and not the question.  Oh no, I wouldn't do that to you,              

[me]

  If you know all bout the oxygen/CO2 cycle because you have watch all of those science show.  Why did you ask such a stupid quesion like you asked above.

  Now, I know you want me to call you names, like stupid, fool, asshole, dumbass, know it all, idiot and several name someone who might be telling the truth about about you.  But today I won't lower myself to such a Republican thing, a thing of calling you stupid, fool, asshole, dumbass, know it all, idiot.  I let your enemies do that.  Because I     you.

  If I did that you would accuse me on attacking the poster and not the question.  Oh no, I wouldn't do that to you,              

Plants take in CO2 and expel oxygen, they need CO2, we need oxygen.....fair trade.   How is taxing everyone, raising utility rates, and trading fake carbon credits going to solve anything?  The forests will continue to burn because the tree huggers won't let them be logged to make fire breaks and the factories will be in other countries putting out even more pollution than they would be here because there are no restrictions at all.  The jobs will be gone and no one will be able to afford to do the "certified green" repairs to their homes because no one will be working or if they are they will be paying out the wazoo for living expenses and won't have the extra money to spend.   

[Palehorse]

Plants take in CO2 and expel oxygen, they need CO2, we need oxygen.....fair trade.   How is taxing everyone, raising utility rates, and trading fake carbon credits going to solve anything?  The forests will continue to burn because the tree huggers won't let them be logged to make fire breaks and the factories will be in other countries putting out even more pollution than they would be here because there are no restrictions at all.  The jobs will be gone and no one will be able to afford to do the "certified green" repairs to their homes because no one will be working or if they are they will be paying out the wazoo for living expenses and won't have the extra money to spend.

Carbon dioxide and other air pollution that is collecting in the atmosphere like a thickening blanket, trapping the sun's heat and causing the planet to warm up. Coal-burning power plants are the largest U.S. source of carbon dioxide pollution -- they produce 2.5 billion tons every year. Automobiles, the second largest source, create nearly 1.5 billion tons of CO2 annually.

Although local temperatures fluctuate naturally, over the past 50 years the average global temperature has increased at the fastest rate in recorded history. And experts think the trend is accelerating: the 10 hottest years on record have all occurred since 1990. ith the hottest year on record still under way this very year). Unless we curb global warming emissions, average U.S. temperatures could be 3 to 9 degrees higher by the end of the century.

Global warming is already causing damage in many parts of the United States. In 2002, Colorado, Arizona and Oregon endured their worst wildfire seasons ever. The same year, drought created severe dust storms in Montana, Colorado and Kansas, and floods caused hundreds of millions of dollars in damage in Texas, Montana and North Dakota. Since the early 1950s, snow accumulation has declined 60 percent and winter seasons have shortened in some areas of the Cascade Range in Oregon and Washington.

Of course, the impacts of global warming are not limited to the United States. In 2003, extreme heat waves caused more than 20,000 deaths in Europe and more than 1,500 deaths in India and this year Russia is enduring the hottest summer ever, which is causing wildfires to burn out of  control. And in what scientists regard as an alarming sign of events to come, the area of the Arctic's perennial polar ice cap is declining at the rate of 9 percent per decade.

Though Americans make up just 4 percent of the world's population, we produce 25 percent of the carbon dioxide pollution from fossil-fuel burning -- by far the largest share of any country. In fact, the United States emits more carbon dioxide than China, India and Japan, combined. Clearly America ought to take a leadership role in solving the problem. And as the world's top developer of new technologies, we are well positioned to do so -- we already have the know-how.

http://www.nrdc.org/globalWarming/f101.asp?gclid=CKeyyLWwraMCFdRU2god6w005w

Global warming is a complex phenomenon, and its full-scale impacts are hard to predict far in advance. But each year scientists learn more about how global warming is affecting the planet, and many agree that certain consequences are likely to occur if current trends continue. Among these:


Melting glaciers, early snowmelt and severe droughts will cause more dramatic water shortages in the American West.

Rising sea levels will lead to coastal flooding on the Eastern seaboard, in Florida, and in other areas, such as the Gulf of Mexico.

Warmer sea surface temperatures will fuel more intense hurricanes in the southeastern Atlantic and Gulf coasts.

Forests, farms and cities will face troublesome new pests and more mosquito-borne diseases.

Disruption of habitats such as coral reefs and alpine meadows could drive many plant and animal species to extinction.

And yet. . . it is getting hotter. . . Carbon dioxide and other air pollution that is collecting in the atmosphere like a thickening blanket, trapping the sun's heat and causing the planet to warm up. Coal-burning power plants are the largest U.S. source of carbon dioxide pollution -- they produce 2.5 billion tons every year. Automobiles, the second largest source, create nearly 1.5 billion tons of CO2 annually.

[me]

You will find links through out the story to substantiate what this person is saying.
http://www.isthereglobalcooling.com/

[Locutus]

You will find links through out the story to substantiate what this person is saying.
http://www.isthereglobalcooling.com/

You're posting a website created by the president of an automotive group like he's some sort of expert on climate change?   LMAO!!

[Palehorse]

You will find links through out the story to substantiate what this person is saying.
http://www.isthereglobalcooling.com/

Geoff Pohanka is president of the Pohanka Automotive Group of new car and truck dealerships.

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columns/OpEd-Contributor/Congress-should-not-include-auto-dealers-in-Wall-Street-reform-93326634.html#ixzz0w9X1DNpW

[Sandy Eggo]

PH, you're doing an awesome job of ecplaining things, but you know what they say about horses and water...

[Palehorse]

PH, you're doing an awesome job of ecplaining things, but you know what they say about horses and water...

Yeah. . . A point that is driven home daily around these parts as of late. . .

[me]

I don't give a rats ass who posted it there are links through out the posts to show he did his research.  Don't bother to click those though 'cause it might contradict what you've been spoon fed.

[Palehorse]

I don't give a rats ass who posted it there are links through out the posts to show he did his research.  Don't bother to click those though 'cause it might contradict what you've been spoon fed.

I clicked those links, many of which are out dated and do not include current data. . . Others are very misleading in that they  take into account only US data and not average global temperatures or data. . .

NCDC: October USA – temperature 3rd coldest on record, wettest ever on record
Posted on November 11, 2009 by Anthony Watts



Take this one for example, surrounding Europe: currently this same area is experiencing record heat and fatalities related to it.

[Palehorse]

Here's a list of the officers from my source:

Frances Beinecke, Executive Director; Co-founder, The New York League of Conservation Voters
Robert Redford, Trustee and Director; Film actor & director; Manager, the Redford Foundation
Laurance Rockefeller, Trustee; Private philanthropist; Former chairman, Rockefeller Brothers Fund; Former chairman, Citizens Advisory Committee on Environmental Quality; Trustee, the Laurance Rockefeller Charitable Trust
John H. Adams, President & Co-founder; Former Assistant US Attorney (New York)
Adam Albright, Vice Chair; Board member, Redefining Progress; Board Chair, Population Communications International; Program Chair, Conservation International
Richard E. Ayres, Co-founder & Treasurer; Partner, Howrey & Simon; Former chairman, National Clean Air Coalition
Linda Geer, Health & Environment Program Director; Former staff scientist, Environmental Defense; Former technical director, Hazardous Waste Treatment Council
Alan Horn,Vice Chair; Chairman & Chief Operating Officer, Warner Brothers
Burks Lapham, Vice Chair; Chairman, Concern Inc.; Director, Chesapeake Bay Foundation
Alan Metrick, Director of Communications; Former Partner, The PR Consulting Group (New York City); Former Exec VP, David M. Grant Inc.
Kathleen Scheg, Legislative Director
Frederick A. O. Schwartz, Jr., Chairman of the Board; Partner, Cravath Swaine & Moore; Former NYC corporation counsel (under Mayor Ed Koch)
Gregory Wetstone, Legislative Director; Former environmental chief counsel, US Congressional Health and Environment Subcommittee; Author, "Acid Rain in Europe and North America"
George Woodwell; Vice Chair; Founding Director, Woods Hole Research Center

The trustees


Frederick A.O. Schwarz, Jr.; Chair - Senior Counsel, Cravath, Swaine & Moore
Adrian W. DeWind; Chair Emeritus - Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison
Adam Albright; Vice Chair - Private investor; Environmentalist
Patricia Bauman; Vice Chair - Co-Director, Bauman Foundation
Robert J. Fisher; Vice Chair - Board member, Sun Microsystems; Chair, GAP Inc.
Alan Horn; Vice Chair - President and COO, Warner Brothers
Daniel R. Tishman; Vice Chair - Chair and CEO, Tishman Construction Corp. of New York
Henry R. Breck; Treasurer - Chair, Ark Asset Management Co., Inc.
John H. Adams; Founding Director - Chair, Open Space Institute
Richard E. Ayres, Esq. - The Ayres Law Group
Joy Covey - President, Beagle Foundation
Laurie P. David - Producer; Activist
Leonardo DiCaprio - Actor; Environmentalist
John E. Echohawk - Executive Director, Native American Rights Fund
Bob Epstein - Co-Founder, Sybase, Inc., Colorado Microdisplay, and Britton-Lee
Michael C. Finnegan - Managing Director, J.P. Morgan Securities
Michel Gelobter, Ph.D. - Executive Director, Redefining Progress
Jill Tate Higgins - Private investor; General Partner, Lakeside Enterprises, L.P.
Charles E. Koob, Esq. - Partner, Simpson, Thacher & Bartlett
Philip B. Korsant - Member, Ziff Brothers Investments
Ruben Kraiem - Partner, Covington and Burling
Nicole Lederer - Co-Founder, Environmental Entrepreneurs (E2)
Maya Lin - Artist; Designer
Shelly B. Malkin - Landscape painter; Conservationist
Josephine A. Merck - Artist
Peter A. Morton - Chair/founder, Hard Rock Hotel, Inc.
Daniel Pauly - Director, Fisheries Centre, University of British Columbia
Frederica Perera, Ph.D. - Professor, Joseph L. Mailman School of Public Health at Columbia University
Robert Redford - Actor; Director; Conservationist
Cruz Reynoso - Professor of Law, University of California at Davis
Laurance Rockefeller - Conservationist
Jonathan F.P. Rose - President, Jonathan Rose Companies LLC, Affordable Housing Development Corporation
Thomas W. Roush, M.D. - Physician
Christine H. Russell, Ph.D. - Environmentalist; Foundation director
Wendy Kirby Schmidt - Designer, Allied Member of ASID
James Gustave Speth - Dean, Yale School of Forestry and Environmental Studies
James Taylor - Singer; Songwriter
Frederick A. Terry, Jr. - Senior Counsel, Sullivan & Cromwell
Elizabeth R. Wiatt - Environmentalist; Co-founder, NRDC Action Forum
George M. Woodwell, Ph.D. - Director, Woods Hole Research Center

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You got a car dealer?

[LOsborne]

So did I, PH. Lots of maps with pretty colors. But they only go back to about 1990. Most of them are for 2009-2010 only. Except for this one,

http://icecap.us/images/uploads/USHCNvsCO2.jpg

which goes all the way back to 1895.

But it does NOT show what ol' Geoff says it shows. It shows a gradual rise in average temperature for the length of the study, along with a rise in CO2 levels -- a significant rise in the last thirty years.

[Palehorse]

So did I, PH. Lots of maps with pretty colors. But they only go back to about 1990. Most of them are for 2009-2010 only. Except for this one,

http://icecap.us/images/uploads/USHCNvsCO2.jpg

which goes all the way back to 1895.

But it does NOT show what ol' Geoff says it shows. It shows a gradual rise in average temperature for the length of the study, along with a rise in CO2 levels -- a significant rise in the last thirty years.

That is why one should never trust a non-scientist with scientific data.  They'll manipulate the scope, sources, and data itself to make it fit whatever position they want to maintain. Peer reviewed studies that utilize validated sources and protocols are not subject to such crap!

[The Troll]

PH, you're doing an awesome job of explaining things, but you know what they say about horses and water...

  Sandy, the story is about leading a mule to water.  Or the better story is you can't lead a dumb-ass to water.   The water of knowledge.  Hee Hawwwww. 

[Henry Hawk]

http://www.drroyspencer.com/global-warming-natural-or-manmade/

for those of you who honestly want to hear the opposing views, that I concur with.....check this out carefully.

I have read both sides all evening, and I still but cannot buy into it.  It is my belief that science and politics have collided on a course, to achieve an agenda. 

or, if it is in your best interest to continue to mock and ridicule and slam anyone that opposes your thoughts, that's okay with me too...