Global Warming

[Locutus]

Don't forget we are still cutting down trees like they can be replaced instantly.  Trees provide a cooling effect to the Earth.  Can't cool if they aren't there. 

Let's build another subdivision and strip mall!   

We could start a completely different thread on the extensive deforestation occurring worldwide and have a completely different conversation about that. 

[The Troll]

Don't forget we are still cutting down trees like they can be replaced instantly.  Trees provide a cooling effect to the Earth.  Can't cool if they aren't there. 

Let's build another subdivision and strip mall!   

  You know we also need to stop one more thing.  Breeding of humans.  Overpopulation.   For example Mexico.  They don't have jobs for them, they don't have education for them.  Really there not enough food for them.  To state a cold hard fact, the Mexican rich have nothing for the people of Mexico but poverty.   But they breed like cockroaches and send them up to us, so they won't rebel against the Mexican government.

  That what the Super Rich Predatory Capitalist Republicans have in mind for the Middle Class here in America.  The United States of Mexico.  For the rich, to the rich and by the rich.  You see it every day and it growing every day.

[Palehorse]

Don't forget we are still cutting down trees like they can be replaced instantly.  Trees provide a cooling effect to the Earth.  Can't cool if they aren't there. 

Let's build another subdivision and strip mall!   

We could start a completely different thread on the extensive deforestation occurring worldwide and have a completely different conversation about that. 

Exactly, but Kimmi does have a very valid point; as a key component in the filtration system of the earth, the deforestation is making a significant contribution toward negatively impacting the whole process as well! 

If the plants aren't there to consume the Co2 and other pollution, it has nowhere else to go but into the atmosphere!

Coal fired electricity generation! Indiana is terrible for this! 

[kimmi]

Troll maybe we ought to go back to natural selection and only the strong survive! 

[The Troll]

Troll maybe we ought to go back to natural selection and only the strong survive! 

  Kimmi you left an open ended question.  Would like to explain what you are trying to say.  With your skills in self defense, your ability with fire arms and army training.  Lack of fending for yourself in a big boy world where survival is the name of the game.  Surly you are not talking about natural selection that way are you?  Because I was taught that the strongest and the meanest were the survivors.  In a war, second place sucks.

[dan foster]

  You know we also need to stop one more thing.  Breeding of humans.  Overpopulation.   For example Mexico.  They don't have jobs for them, they don't have education for them.  Really there not enough food for them.  To state a cold hard fact, the Mexican rich have nothing for the people of Mexico but poverty.   But they breed like cockroaches and send them up to us, so they won't rebel against the Mexican government.

  That what the Super Rich Predatory Capitalist Republicans have in mind for the Middle Class here in America.  The United States of Mexico.  For the rich, to the rich and by the rich.  You see it every day and it growing every day.

The f'ing catholics have guaranteed global disaster in their "breed like rabbits, no birth control approach" as mandated by god.

[Sandy Eggo]

I was taught the smartest survive

[The Troll]

Troll maybe we ought to go back to natural selection and only the strong survive! 

  Since you give me the    Would you please tell in a college educated way, by a person who is in education.  What is wrong with what I said.  Because if there is truth in anything, I said it.  I just said it in a way educated people don't want to say it.  They want to BS their way though it.

[dan foster]

I was taught the smartest survive

Sorry, but it is the fittest, for the circumstances based on environmental factors.  Always will be.  The rich have screwed the rest of us and it would seem they will be the survivors, but when it all comes tumbling down, it will be those who decided to drop out, find  some soil to cultivate and protect, and live in small groups, that will survive. 

[Sandy Eggo]

I see "fit" as being a combination of things including intellect. I don't buy that strength trumps smarts.

[kimmi]

Troll don't get all testy! Sheesh! 

I was referring to natural selection.  It seems if we should mandate how many children people have before they "breed like rabbits", then why not only allow the strongest and healthiest to survive. 

Do you think that would put McDonalds out of business eventually? 

[Palehorse]

As Dan alludes to, the physically and mentally fittest will not end up being those who the masses assume. Those who have prepared in meaningful ways for the onslaught to come, will have an edge on everyone else. . . In situations like this it is not the most popular preparations that win the day, but the best preparations that deal meaningfully with the circumstances.

If most folks knew what was coming, it wouldn't get here. But obviously they do not.

[Locutus]

Troll maybe we ought to go back to natural selection and only the strong survive! 

I was taught the smartest survive

Actually, evolution is concerned with adaptability.  Survival of the most adaptable.  In harsh times where food is scarce, it might pay to be a scrawny lil' 'effer that doesn't require too many calories to get by. 

[Locutus]

For those of you who "don't think." 





WASHINGTON — Not only was the past decade the warmest on record, but climate indicators being tracked globally are worsening, scientists reported Wednesday in their annual "State of the Climate."

"A comprehensive review of key climate indicators confirms the world is warming and the past decade was the warmest" since recordkeeping began in 1870, declares the report, which was released by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

Compiled by more than 300 scientists from 48 countries, the report said its analysis of 10  indicators that are "clearly and directly related to surface temperatures, all tell the same story: Global warming is undeniable."

Concern about rising temperatures has been growing in recent years as atmospheric scientists report rising temperatures associated with greenhouse gases released into the air by industrial and other human processes. At the same time, some skeptics have questioned the conclusions.

The new report, the 20th in a series, focuses only on global warming and does not specify a cause.

"The evidence in this report would say unequivocally yes, there is no doubt," that the Earth is warming, said Tom Karl, the transitional director of the planned NOAA Climate Service.

Deke Arndt, chief of the Climate Monitoring Branch at the National Climatic Data Center, noted that the 1980s was the warmest decade up to that point, but each year in the 1990s was warmer than the '80s average.

That makes the '90s the warmest decade, he said.

But each year in the 2000s has been warmer than the '90s average, so the first 10 years of the 2000s is now the warmest decade on record.

The new report noted that continuing warming will threaten coastal cities, infrastructure, water supply, health and agriculture.

"At first glance, the amount of increase each decade — about a fifth of a degree Fahrenheit — may seem small," the report said.

"But," it adds, "the temperature increase of about 1 degree Fahrenheit experienced during the past 50 years has already altered the planet. Glaciers and sea ice are melting, heavy rainfall is intensifying and heat waves are becoming more common and more intense."

Last month was the warmest June on record and this year has had the warmest average temperature for January-June since record keeping began, NOAA reported last week.

The new climate report, published as a supplement to the Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society, focused on 10 indicators of a warming world, seven which are increasing and three declining.

Rising over decades are average air temperature, the ratio of water vapor to air, ocean heat content, sea surface temperature, sea level, air temperature over the ocean and air temperature over land.

Indicators that are declining are snow cover, glaciers and sea ice.

The 10 were selected "because they were the most obviously related indicators of global temperature," explained Peter Thorne of the Cooperative Institute for Climate and Satellites, who helped develop the list when at the British weather service, known as the Met Office.

"What this data is doing is, it is screaming that the world is warming," Thorne concluded.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38454658/ns/us_news-environment/

[The Troll]

I was taught the smartest survive

  So the smart survive and lead.  What in hell is happening in Washington.  Everybody that is in government is a college graduate.  Some of the most expensive colleges and degrees possible and look at what has happened.  The banks and the stock market.

  You must think you are very bright.  Well, Ms. Tree Hugger let's choose a total of  6 tools and weapons and I'll let you pick the most desolate area in the world and one on one we'll seen who starves first.  You or me.  At 72 years old, I know I can clean your clock.  We will see who the smartest and the one who has the strength to survive.