Global Warming

[me]

  Yeah, man can never f**k up the ecology, the air, the oceans, the Gulf.  Especially the Gulf.  If the earth would stop pushing out the oil that comes out of the well, Hell we wouldn't have a problem.

  Man never screw up the the earth in any way.  It's always God or the Sun which God built, fault.

We can do lots for the air quality but not the weather.  Mother Nature controls the weather.

[Henry Hawk]

  Yeah, man can never f**k up the ecology, the air, the oceans, the Gulf.  Especially the Gulf.  If the earth would stop pushing out the oil that comes out of the well, Hell we wouldn't have a problem.

  Man never screw up the the earth in any way.  It's always God or the Sun which God built, fault.

I never said that, did I?

[The Troll]

We can do lots for the air quality but not the weather.  Mother Nature controls the weather.

  I have heard a lot about that woman.  Please just tell me who Mother Nature is and where does she live?

[Exterminator]

Record highs here March, April, May, June, and July.  Our average number of days in the 90's is around 25 for a summer.  We have already hit 40 and still have a ways to go.

Correct, Kimmi, as have most people for the past several months.  The pea-brained sheep miss tha obvious importance of the record set in June...not just the warmest June in recorded history for Anderson or Indiana or the midwest or the entire U.S...it was the warmest June in recorded history for the entire fucking planet!  I guess if you can deny the ireefutable evidence that the polar caps are shrinking, you can deny anything.

[Palehorse]

Yeah, there are a lot of folks living in denial. . . They won't believe it until their flesh is burning from the sunlight and it is far too late to fix things. . .

[Henry Hawk]

Yeah, there are a lot of folks living in denial. . . They won't believe it until their flesh is burning from the sunlight and it is far too late to fix things. . .

What are you going to do to "FIX" things?.....Do you HONESTLY believe that ALL of this is happening because of man?...seriously?

[Palehorse]

Yes. We pollute our oceans and streams, our lands and our air, and we think it has NO impact upon how the natural world works? How illogical can you be?

[Henry Hawk]

Yes. We pollute our oceans and streams, our lands and our air, and we think it has NO impact upon how the natural world works? How illogical can you be?

and because of that our weather pattern has gone to shit?.......c'mon!....the same folks was bitchin about an Ice Age coming because we was depleting our ozone back in the 70's....

Again, like I have said a zillion times on here, I am ALL in favor of doing things to make our land better and cleaner.....but this WHOLE, man-made global warming crap is all to push this 'CAP AND TAX' bill and has NOTHING to do with making this world a "cleaner place"....and if you think otherwise, I say it is YOU who is being illogical.

[Palehorse]

Where does the rain come from? The oceans and lakes of this planet. Pollute them and you pollute the rain.

Where does the rain fall? Over land, which supplies our drinking water. Pollute the rain, you pollute the drinking water. Spill chemicals and hazardous waste, and it goes into our drinking water. Bury garbage and the juices leech through into our drinking water.

How do we know that removing all of that oil and gas from the depths of the earth is not removing a critical component to the geothermal process of the earth? We don't. We just assume it doesn't and have been removing it for decades, so why not?

Where do all the particulates go that we are emitting into the air? Your lungs, and your water, and the food chain.

Where does all that "dispersed" oil go? Into the water at molecular levels, and into the food chain.

Where does all the fertilizer run off go from the farm fields? It leeches into the water table, streams, rivers, and lakes, and into our drinking water and the oceans. . . and the food chain.

And all that crap follows the circle of life that we call mother nature, and it is drawn up into the atmosphere in the form of moisture, and does anyone really know what it is doing to the atmosphere that is so critical in filtering the rays of the sun, and shielding this planet from space dust and other harmful matter?

Who is doing all this spilling, polluting, and creating the emissions? Humankind is! If not for us this crap would not be happening!

[Henry Hawk]

Who is doing all this spilling, polluting, and creating the emissions? Humankind is! If not for us this crap would not be happening!

what crap exactly are you talking about?...are you talking about "hot" summers?, the Ice caps melting?, Strong Hurricanes?.....what exactly?
those things have been going on since before we was on this earth....and there is NO emperical evidence to prove that we ARE causing any ill effects in our weather patterns...and for arguments sake, if we WAS, contributing, do you think these "cap and tax" laws are going to SAVE this planet?...I can say IT WILL contribute to leading us further down the economic mess we are in....

[me]

What will happen is our utility costs will go through the roof and the polluters and rich will just trade those damn carbon chips and nothing will change except those of us who can't afford to buy the chips will have to conserve and that won't make a dimes worth of difference in anything.

[Sandy Eggo]

Well said PH, unfortunately you lost him after "Where".

[Palehorse]

All of the above. . . While earth has historically gone through cyclic climatic swings, as HAS been empirically proven via ice core sampling among other means, the data demonstrates that the present swing we are seeing is happening at a greatly accelerated rate than has EVER transpired previously, and in some areas has already exceeded the parameters documented within that historical data.

Do you seriously think that molecules of oil and particulate matter do not have any impact upon the dynamics of the thermal process that is the life blood of this planet? It changes the basis weight of the hydrogen and oxygen within which it is encased, and requires an exponential increase in the thermal force required to feed the process. THAT is why we are seeing stronger storms, more violent storms, and an increased frequency of them. The increasing heat feeds the storms and helps accelerate the thermal process that creates storms, water, etc. And the more pollutants contained within the air, oceans and waters that feed the atmosphere, the higher the accumulating concentrations of those pollutants are within the atmosphere at any given time. . .

I don't see animals driving internal combustion engine powered vehicles, or drilling for oil over 5,000 feet below the oceans, or creating nuclear waste, hazardous waste, and garbage. They don't produce bodily waste that is full of process chemicals, unless we pollute their environment and put it into the food chain. WE do all these things, and it is imperative to the long term survival of this planet that we understand exactly how these things work, and make huge strides toward minimization and elimination of our negative impact upon them!

[The Troll]

Yes. We pollute our oceans and streams, our lands and our air, and we think it has NO impact upon how the natural world works? How illogical can you be?

  How many years did take to make all of this coal and oil?  Million and million and millions of years.  This coal and oil is sequestered carbon or in other words carbon dioxide.  This carbon dioxide was collected and stored by ferns, the large grasses and trees over the millions and millions years in the earth's past history.

  We are burning this coal and oil, which releases the carbon dioxide into the air and at a rate many, many times faster than our vegetation is putting it away and millions time faster than the earth stored it.  Which took million and millions of years to store it away.

  One question Henry, what don't you understand about what I just said.  Now, I have never been to higher education, college.   But I read science magizines, read science books and watch all of the science shows on TV.  I like science and biology.  As long I have can remember I have loved science.  As handicapped as I am, with no higher education, I understand what I said.  The books, science shows, science magizines and SCIENCIST, understand this.

  Just what don't you don't get.  You believe what Rush, Glen Beck and Fox News says or don't say.  They must be right, their so smart, because they are bought and paid for by the super rich who would lose money is we did something about CARBON DIOXIDE.

[kimmi]

Yes. We pollute our oceans and streams, our lands and our air, and we think it has NO impact upon how the natural world works? How illogical can you be?

Don't forget we are still cutting down trees like they can be replaced instantly.  Trees provide a cooling effect to the Earth.  Can't cool if they aren't there. 

Let's build another subdivision and strip mall!